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<blockquote data-quote="Mr. Kaze" data-source="post: 2227980" data-attributes="member: 8848">Half correct.&nbsp; DS9 also killed Enterprise because DS9 didn't need the warm-up because it was happy to bootstrap in on TNG's already developed chunk of the universe.Or, to put it another way, WTH did Voyager's and Enterprise's writers need time to get warmed up?&nbsp; For the love of Gaav, folks, we should be talking about seasoned professionals and they're turning out Tripe! and being allowed to do so for years on end.&nbsp; Just to do a quick comparison to Star Wars -- nobody has said that they &quot;didn't care for the prequels but it's okay because Lucas just needs some time to warm up.&quot;&nbsp; Nobody says that FireFly failed because Whedon needed three stinkin' years to &quot;warm up!&quot;And if it had been any other show, it would've started with only half as many viewers and lost them twice as fast.&nbsp; UPN, like most of it's initial fans, cut Enterprise wildly undue slack because it was branded as Star Trek.&nbsp; That's the short and the short of it.Anybody remember that it took Babylon 5 something like two years to get from the pilot episode to having a funded first season?&nbsp; And that the &quot;warm up&quot; period was done in that first season?&nbsp; And that they were still facing cancellation after season 4 until TNT bailed them out?&nbsp; Amazingly harsh and cruel things happen to shows that aren't protected by the power of The Brand[tm].Brands like (&quot;Star Trek&quot; and &quot;Star Wars&quot; and &quot;The Matrix&quot;) are remarkable things -- they allow a molehill of success to be turned into a mountain of barely-related dung.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mr. Kaze, post: 2227980, member: 8848"] Half correct. [i]DS9[/i] also killed Enterprise because [i]DS9[/i] didn't need the warm-up because it was happy to bootstrap in on [i]TNG[/i]'s already developed chunk of the universe. Or, to put it another way, WTH did [i]Voyager[/i]'s and [i]Enterprise[/i]'s writers need time to get warmed up? For the love of Gaav, folks, we should be talking about seasoned professionals and they're turning out [b]Tripe![/b] and being allowed to do so for years on end. Just to do a quick comparison to [i]Star Wars[/i] -- nobody has said that they "didn't care for the prequels but it's okay because Lucas just needs some time to [i]warm up.[/i]" Nobody says that [i]FireFly[/i] failed because Whedon needed three stinkin' years to "warm up!" And if it had been any other show, it would've started with only half as many viewers and lost them twice as fast. UPN, like most of it's initial fans, cut [i]Enterprise[/i] wildly undue slack because it was branded as [i]Star Trek[/i]. That's the short and the short of it. Anybody remember that it took [i]Babylon 5[/i] something like two years to get from the pilot episode to having a funded first season? And that the "warm up" period was done in that first season? And that they were still facing cancellation after season 4 until TNT bailed them out? Amazingly harsh and cruel things happen to shows that aren't protected by the power of [b]The Brand[tm][/b]. Brands like ("Star Trek" and "Star Wars" and "The Matrix") are remarkable things -- they allow a molehill of success to be turned into a mountain of barely-related dung. [/QUOTE]

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