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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9783097" data-attributes="member: 725">I know, there are other games, besides D&D... Things like The Spire/Heart, Mothership, etc. are still on my wishlist to play with my group. And I suspect that a Pathfinder 2e would serve well as a replacement for D&D, but none of your options and the games I mentioned are actually D&D. And that's what we're discussing here.Many of us have (unhealthy) attachments to D&D, for most of us it's perfectly fine to either play the most recent version or an older version. So why care about WotC in the first place, they either make something you like, you use something you liked from the past or you move on to something else... You could play with the PF2e rules perfectly fine in Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, or even Planescape IF you really wanted.I personally find something like 'Daggerheart' a populist abomination. The worst I do is share my view when someone else absolutely has to tout it as the best thing since vanilla ice cream. Overall, I just ignore it, just as with many of the things I do not like about D&D and WotC/Hasbro. Not trying to change them, let people and companies be what they want to be. Not trying to buy them to destroy them, etc.Overall, late last year, I was seriously considering pushing within the group to skip D&D 5e 2024 and move to PF2e, there was even some independent interest in PF2e from within the group. But after we collectively got our hands on the new PHB, we decided to move after we talked it over amongst ourselves.in a Beegees voice Oh Yeah![MEDIA=youtube]I_izvAbhExY[/MEDIA]Old things always come back in vogue, it's just that a lot of the old baggage is no longer appreciated. Something a lot of folks seem to forget...</blockquote>

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