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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6827692" data-attributes="member: 15700">I think the big disconnect is that you seem to be viewing classes, and the level of appeal to play them, based solely on a mechanical reason.  for most of us, that's a non or minor factor.  Classes are more than just a number; that's why they have several paragraphs in the class description of what they are like before you even get to the mechanical bits.  In a role playing game, the role playing aspect shouldn't be ignored.But let's set aside that for a moment and talk just about the mechanical bits.  You seem to assume that there is a loss of DPR compared to an EK or paladin, but you're only looking at melee combat.  There are a million different scenarios where combat comes up, and melee is only a small part.  Not all of your opponents are going be lined up in a neat row for you to attack, rinse, repeat.for Example:* when outside and opponents all over the place, some over 100 ft away, I can hit them each round with a call lightning while the EK or paladin has to break out a bow, and God forbid if they spec'd STR like you mentioned above, or they're going to be spending their actions running around, not attacking squat* Even if my one attack roll does only 2d8+X damage compared to an EK or paladin's 1d8+X (x3 attacks), I'm also doing 3d8 damage to 2 or more attackers who happen to be within a 15ft radius of me due to spirit guardians (I've hit up to 6 opponents with this spell in a single round before).* The paladin can add a few extra D8 when he novas with divine smite?  Big deal.  I'll drop a destructive wrath, max out the thunder damage with my channel divinity, for way more damage to EVERY creature within 30ft that I want.* for Sh*s and giggles, I can drop a flame strike, insect plague, storm sphere, or whatever else I want.So no, in actual play, I don't feel like I'm giving up any combat capability.  In fact, I think I'm more capable in combat because not every combat round can the EK or paladin do what they want because the enemy isn't in perfect  position, while I have many options to always hit the bad guys where it hurts.  I think you really need to look at what schools of magic a EK can cast from, and how many spells at what level they get too.  You might get one or two 3rd level spells while I'm dropping level 5 and 6 spells a lot more often, on top of being good at melee combat as well with just that one spell (spirit guardians)</blockquote>

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