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<blockquote data-quote="WayOfTheFourElements" data-source="post: 8047149" data-attributes="member: 6904757">What do you mean by &quot;wildcard&quot;?Which is also perfectly fine and interesting. It also means the vats can be used against the PCs at their own peril. Also fine.OK. But that tree doesn't really lead to decision making, which is the primary activity the players do.Sure. They make their own choices. That's part of the game.Much better than the tree. I wouldn't call the vats a challenge. They aren't something to overcome. They, like everything else, simply exist in the game world. It's up to the players whether to interpret them as a challenge or not. Just like it's up to the players to decide whether to engage with them.Sure. OK. It's something I would narrate over. But whatever floats your boat.Walking away is fine. It's an interesting choice.I don't get what you mean by a waste of time, though. Maybe you can explain.These are a set of vats I used in a mega-dungeon I ran in 2010-12. The vats were encountered by 6 separate groups of players. A variety of comments emerged, but I don't remember &quot;waste of time.&quot; Everyone seemed to find them fun.I remember one group graffitied the room with the vats in order to get the other groups to drink their contents. (&quot;This one tastes great!&quot; &quot;Don't stick your finger in here.&quot;) Another group, gathered samples to test on the villagers in a nearby town. A third enjoyed reincarnating themselves into different races. They all became trolls. They became known as the Trolls in Boots by the other groups. One group (I forget which) did some research and reversed a sample of the shrinking potion. Then they used the shrinking potion to make their treasure more portable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WayOfTheFourElements, post: 8047149, member: 6904757"] What do you mean by "wildcard"? Which is also perfectly fine and interesting. It also means the vats can be used against the PCs at their own peril. Also fine. OK. But that tree doesn't really lead to decision making, which is the primary activity the players do. Sure. They make their own choices. That's part of the game. Much better than the tree. I wouldn't call the vats a challenge. They aren't something to overcome. They, like everything else, simply exist in the game world. It's up to the players whether to interpret them as a challenge or not. Just like it's up to the players to decide whether to engage with them. Sure. OK. It's something I would narrate over. But whatever floats your boat. Walking away is fine. It's an interesting choice. I don't get what you mean by a waste of time, though. Maybe you can explain. These are a set of vats I used in a mega-dungeon I ran in 2010-12. The vats were encountered by 6 separate groups of players. A variety of comments emerged, but I don't remember "waste of time." Everyone seemed to find them fun. I remember one group graffitied the room with the vats in order to get the other groups to drink their contents. ("This one tastes great!" "Don't stick your finger in here.") Another group, gathered samples to test on the villagers in a nearby town. A third enjoyed reincarnating themselves into different races. They all became trolls. They became known as the Trolls in Boots by the other groups. One group (I forget which) did some research and reversed a sample of the shrinking potion. Then they used the shrinking potion to make their treasure more portable. [/QUOTE]

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