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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8049216" data-attributes="member: 7019027">It's all well and good, but when things are said and done after a game, the players should walk away from the game board with an overall positive outlook, otherwise they won't want to rejoin. If I want a challenge regardless of fun, I can take an exam for a certification I have no training in, or I could challenge my friend to a race knowing he's faster than me. I won't though, because that's not a fun use of my free time. If verisimilitude, challenge, misdirections, or grit is making the game a slog, it's just best removed completely or almost completely. No need to force the players to experience something they don't like. I remember having finished dark souls and my friend tried playing it because I lauded how good it was. He quit before the first boss. I asked why he quit so early, he said he wasn't good, I told him to practice and get good and he responded &quot;I don't want to waste my time getting pissed off all the time, what's the point if the game purposefully pisses you off?&quot; I realized that some people just aren't compatible with the grit type of gaming more hardcore fans subscribe to. They really do just want to button mash and see how far they go, not having to engage with more than they want unless the extra stuff makes them feel good.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8049216, member: 7019027"] It's all well and good, but when things are said and done after a game, the players should walk away from the game board with an overall positive outlook, otherwise they won't want to rejoin. If I want a challenge regardless of fun, I can take an exam for a certification I have no training in, or I could challenge my friend to a race knowing he's faster than me. I won't though, because that's not a fun use of my free time. If verisimilitude, challenge, misdirections, or grit is making the game a slog, it's just best removed completely or almost completely. No need to force the players to experience something they don't like. I remember having finished dark souls and my friend tried playing it because I lauded how good it was. He quit before the first boss. I asked why he quit so early, he said he wasn't good, I told him to practice and get good and he responded "I don't want to waste my time getting pissed off all the time, what's the point if the game purposefully pisses you off?" I realized that some people just aren't compatible with the grit type of gaming more hardcore fans subscribe to. They really do just want to button mash and see how far they go, not having to engage with more than they want unless the extra stuff makes them feel good. [/QUOTE]

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