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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8373412" data-attributes="member: 22779">Ok, in the interest of being thorough, and hopefully to show my work and forestall all these counter claims that really aren't my issue, I'm going to present a list of all the exploration challenge bypassing spells that are either cantrips, rituals or permanent/long lasting effects that can be cast before the next long rest.  Note, if the issue was that only high level magics could do this, I'd have no argument at all.  Choosing a 5th level Modify Memory spell is a major investment for most casters.  That's a significant bite for several levels.  You are likely, at least for the foreseeable future, only going to have 4 5th level spells known, so, that's a very large investment.  Cantrip?  1st level spell/ritual?  That's a minor investment that is easily spread around the two full casters and two half casters your group very likely has.  Again, it made more sense in AD&D where spell resources were much more limited.  A cleric that didn't take Cure Light Wounds in all (or almost all) their 1st level slots was likely going to get some serious flak from the rest of the table.  Now?  Now you have one 1st level spell that does duty for all Cure spells that existed in AD&D.  One slot out of the cleric's dozen or so by 5th level needs to be burned by a Cure Wounds spell.  Not exactly a major investment.Anyway, sorry about that.  I got spun off on a tangent.  Stupid brain.  Must punish it with more coffee.  Take that brain!  So, without further ado, here's my list of exploration winning/bypassing spells:Cantrips:Dancing Lights Druidcraft - predict weather for 24 hours (totally annoying to the DM who has virtually no idea what tomorrow's weather is going to be and something that is almost never listed in a module)Guidance - Actually, this one is a bit of a toss up.  So many exploration activities are longer than 1 minute.  So, basically, it becomes the major bonus to check for traps, listening, that sort of thing.  Not a major problem to be honest.  LightMage Hand - never have to worry about most traps ever again.  Mending - great for resource recovery.  Produce FlameFirst Level rituals/long lastingAlarm - my current group uses this to great effect.  Comprehend LanguagesCreate Water (non ritual) (permanent)Detect MagicDetect Poison and diseaseFind FamiliarFloating Disk - woohoo, we now have a somewhat annoying bag of holding at 1st level.  500 pounds of free weight.  Goodberry (non ritual)- note, can be cast before a long rest, used the next day.  No more foraging needsIdentifyPurify Food and DrinkSpeak with Animals - VERY DM dependentUnseen Servant - again, bypass traps with ease.  Open pretty much any door/chest/whatever isn't locked, from 60 feet away.On that list there are two spells that would actually cost any resources.  Note, most of those spells appear on multiple caster lists.  Like I said, in a standard party of Fighter, Rogue, Cleric, Wizard and one half caster - you've got three characters who can do this stuff pretty easily with minimal investment.  The other two pillars have none of this sort of thing.  This is why I say exploration is so problematic in 5e.</blockquote>

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