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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8374225" data-attributes="member: 6915329">And yet, at last Friday's game, the DM let me intimidate someone using my choice of Persuasion or Intimidation (social pillar stuff!), even though I literally had my sword at the person's throat; the choice was because of the way I addressed the person. It's almost like the rules are actually there to help the DM run their game and therefore there are sometimes multiple ways to achieve the same goal.Yep. Not only that, but it varies from trap to trap. For a trapped chest or doorway, roll Investigation. For a pit trap or a tripwire, your (passive) Perception is used, because these types of traps aren't hidden so much as just hard to spot. But to find out if a lock is trapped, I'd say it's perfectly legit to roll the better of your Investigation or your thieves' tools instead. And hey, the DM makes a secret door part of a painting? Maybe your artist's tools can be rolled to spot the door, because it's relying on your artistic knowledge to realize that line there isn't part of the painting but is actually a place where the painting can be opened to reveal the door. They're different tools used for the same purpose. How is this a problem?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8374225, member: 6915329"] And yet, at last Friday's game, the DM let me intimidate someone using my choice of Persuasion or Intimidation (social pillar stuff!), even though I literally had my sword at the person's throat; the choice was because of the way I addressed the person. It's almost like the rules are actually there to help the DM run their game and therefore there are sometimes multiple ways to achieve the same goal. Yep. Not only that, but it varies from trap to trap. For a trapped chest or doorway, roll Investigation. For a pit trap or a tripwire, your (passive) Perception is used, because these types of traps aren't [I]hidden[/I] so much as just hard to spot. But to find out if a lock is trapped, I'd say it's perfectly legit to roll the better of your Investigation or your thieves' tools instead. And hey, the DM makes a secret door part of a painting? Maybe your artist's tools can be rolled to spot the door, because it's relying on your artistic knowledge to realize that line there isn't part of the painting but is actually a place where the painting can be opened to reveal the door. They're different tools used for the same purpose. How is this a problem? [/QUOTE]

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