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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8379975" data-attributes="member: 22779">Yeah, just to be clear, I do agree here.&nbsp; I don't necessarily need a Star Fleet Battles level of crunchiness.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; Like I said, the 4e rules were pretty solid (eventually) and would work perfectly fine in 5e.&nbsp; Heck, I just ran the Chaos Scar campaign in 5e and used all the skill challenges pretty much as written (adjusting the DC's to fit better with bounded accuracy) and they worked perfectly fine.&nbsp; That Adventures in Middle Earth system above is another great example.Like a lot of discussions, it helps to look at the bigger picture rather than getting bogged down in details of examples.&nbsp; I really don't think anyone on the &quot;Exploration is problematic&quot; side of the fence is looking for a fifteen page set of rules with thirty-seven different reference tables.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; But, again, there's a lot of space between, as I said, Star Fleet Battles level crunch and the, IMO, very sparse rules that 5e lays out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8379975, member: 22779"] Yeah, just to be clear, I do agree here. I don't necessarily need a Star Fleet Battles level of crunchiness. :D Like I said, the 4e rules were pretty solid (eventually) and would work perfectly fine in 5e. Heck, I just ran the Chaos Scar campaign in 5e and used all the skill challenges pretty much as written (adjusting the DC's to fit better with bounded accuracy) and they worked perfectly fine. That Adventures in Middle Earth system above is another great example. Like a lot of discussions, it helps to look at the bigger picture rather than getting bogged down in details of examples. I really don't think anyone on the "Exploration is problematic" side of the fence is looking for a fifteen page set of rules with thirty-seven different reference tables. :D But, again, there's a lot of space between, as I said, Star Fleet Battles level crunch and the, IMO, very sparse rules that 5e lays out. [/QUOTE]

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