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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8380696" data-attributes="member: 22779">Yes, they are contradictory.  Because they are different answers for doing the exact same thing.  How do you inflict damage can be answered in a hundred different ways because there are a hundred different, rules defined, ways to inflict damage.  Your answers actually conflict because if I sit at your table, I roll one skill, if I sit at the other table, I roll another skill, and there is no way for me to know which skill will be used beforehand.  It seemed a pretty simple question actually.  How do you find a secret door?  Apparently, in the well defined ruleset of exploration, you either roll perception or investigation, and it's up to your DM to tell you which one it will be.I don't fail to acknowledge the existence of the rules.  My point is, the rules are actually contradictory.  I can't know, as a player, before sitting down at your table and asking, what rule will be used.  This is most certainly NOT true in Combat.  How do I inflict damage in combat?  Well, here are fifteen different ways you might do that, depending on what your character is.  At no point does it say, "Ask your DM".  To be honest, it's a fast moving thread and I didn't see your questions.  But, remember, the flood is YOUR side's reason why the ranger's powers are not working.  That wasn't my example.  The flood only came into being when the DM realized that the ranger was bypassing the challenge.  And, yup, I speak to the DM about this behavior.  And I'm told that nope, it's not "railroading".  It's a "natural consequence" of the setting and how dare I question the DM this way.  Because I don't claim this?  Again, you aren't bothering to read what I write, so, why do you keep replying to me?  My point is that exploration in 5e is made trivially easy by the presence of a number of very common class elements.  That there are people who write about exploration challenges doesn't surprise me.  Lots of DM's think that sudden floods are a "challenge" too. Like I said to Lanefan.  This thread gets extended ad nauseum because every time any criticism is brought up, it's automatically passed off as bad DMing or appeals to authority.  At no point can we actually get to the point of discussing possible solutions because I have to constantly waste my time trying to run at this wall of trying to convince people that the problem exists in the first place.I mean, good grief, I POSTED my solution to the problem.  Dice pools and mechanical frameworks based on character stats that leverage class and character abilities in order to overcome challenges.  I immediately get told to sit down and shut up.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />  Instead of spending all this time trying to tell me why the issues I'm having don't exist, why not take a stab at trying to resolve the problems?</blockquote>

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