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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8381357" data-attributes="member: 22779">See, both examples, to me, are just the DM railroading the players.&nbsp; The ONLY reason you are doing this is because the players have these capabilities.&nbsp; The only reason to have color coded hand holds is to screw over the players.&nbsp; It's gotcha DMing.&nbsp; And, realistically, it doesn't actually matter that much because, sure, you can make darkvision a disadvantage ... once.&nbsp; Once you do that, you can't do it again.&nbsp; At least not with that group.&nbsp; Not without it becoming abundantly obvious that you're only doing it because you want to bypass their character advantages.Same with the whole &quot;Oh well, you'll just get ambushed if you use Tiny Hut schtick.&nbsp; It's really, really heavy handed.&nbsp; And, frankly, if the DM was that bothered by this, the DM should just pull it out of the game.&nbsp; Don't leave it in the game and then start screwing around with it.&nbsp; It's really heavy handed and blatantly obvious what's going on.But, again, we're not talking about the game we wish it was, but, rather the game as is.&nbsp; So, the game as is, allows the players to bypass or trivialize exploration elements.&nbsp; Heck, the fact that you have to come up with specific counters proves that.&nbsp; If these abilities weren't trivializing exploration, the DM wouldn't have to start pulling out stuff to nerf it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8381357, member: 22779"] See, both examples, to me, are just the DM railroading the players. The ONLY reason you are doing this is because the players have these capabilities. The only reason to have color coded hand holds is to screw over the players. It's gotcha DMing. And, realistically, it doesn't actually matter that much because, sure, you can make darkvision a disadvantage ... once. Once you do that, you can't do it again. At least not with that group. Not without it becoming abundantly obvious that you're only doing it because you want to bypass their character advantages. Same with the whole "Oh well, you'll just get ambushed if you use Tiny Hut schtick. It's really, really heavy handed. And, frankly, if the DM was that bothered by this, the DM should just pull it out of the game. Don't leave it in the game and then start screwing around with it. It's really heavy handed and blatantly obvious what's going on. But, again, we're not talking about the game we wish it was, but, rather the game as is. So, the game as is, allows the players to bypass or trivialize exploration elements. Heck, the fact that you have to come up with specific counters proves that. If these abilities weren't trivializing exploration, the DM wouldn't have to start pulling out stuff to nerf it. [/QUOTE]

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