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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8381488" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And so you can't reliably use rockslides as an exploration challenge. If they are even a challenge at all, because bypassing one isn't something I would say is challenging. But a DM can reliably institute high-level and magical counter-measures to illusion-wearing assassinsBy doing what?I don't understand why my desire to have an exploration challenge in a thread about exploration challenges is so difficult for people to understand. Saying &quot;a wandering monster appears&quot; is like asking for an English assignment and getting a math problem. Sure, the math problem might be hard, it might even make sense in the context of the situation, but it isn't an English Problem, which is what I keep asking for. And every single time, it is just more and more monsters. I pointed out to Iserith that per the rules in the DMG the only reason trekking through a blizzard is a &quot;challenge&quot; is because of the monsters in the blizzard. In a &quot;man vs nature&quot; story, the blizzard would itself be a devastating challenge to overcome, but in DnD it is only dangerous if you are adding monsters to it. This should be seen as a problem, and instead everyone just keeps wondering what I have against combat and combining the pillars to make the game more interesting. The problem is, one of these pillars seemingly can't stand alone. But lets take your second example. Unwanted attention from who? Most of the ritual examples have been in the wilderness, so who in the wilderness do you not want to see you that WILL NOT lead to combat?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8381488, member: 6801228"] And so you can't reliably use rockslides as an exploration challenge. If they are even a challenge at all, because bypassing one isn't something I would say is challenging. But a DM can reliably institute high-level and magical counter-measures to illusion-wearing assassins By doing what? I don't understand why my desire to have an exploration challenge in a thread about exploration challenges is so difficult for people to understand. Saying "a wandering monster appears" is like asking for an English assignment and getting a math problem. Sure, the math problem might be hard, it might even make sense in the context of the situation, but it isn't an English Problem, which is what I keep asking for. And every single time, it is just more and more monsters. I pointed out to Iserith that per the rules in the DMG the only reason trekking through a blizzard is a "challenge" is because of the monsters in the blizzard. In a "man vs nature" story, the blizzard would itself be a devastating challenge to overcome, but in DnD it is only dangerous if you are adding monsters to it. This should be seen as a problem, and instead everyone just keeps wondering what I have against combat and combining the pillars to make the game more interesting. The problem is, one of these pillars seemingly can't stand alone. But lets take your second example. Unwanted attention from who? Most of the ritual examples have been in the wilderness, so who in the wilderness do you not want to see you that WILL NOT lead to combat? [/QUOTE]

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