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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8382731" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I was speaking more broadly than just that single example. The point was you were trying to make darkvision have a "negative" in that they were unable to see the colored handholds, turning a no-check climb into a DC 20 climb, by climbing in the dark on a moonless night, doing this to show it isn't an "auto-win". And sure, you can decide that is DC 20, even though the examples given indicate it shouldn't be. I've seen DMs call for a DC 15 check to climb a tree, even though per the rules, there is no check at all.But, how much of a negative is darkvision in this scenario actually? Because, if we are at DC 20 with it, would you say it is literally impossible to do that same climb without it? And if we are choosing to make the climb in these circumstances then clearly there is a heightened need for stealth that is making such a dangerous climb what we want to do. A climb that was impossible becomes clearly doable.And depending on the level of the party and their resources, it could be actually far easier than you think. So, yes, Darkvision isn't spider-climb and doesn't let you automatically climb a cliff, but it does let you even attempt a task that would otherwise be impossible, so I'm not sure what you were trying to show beyond the fact that the DM can set and DC they want.</blockquote>