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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8386121" data-attributes="member: 29398">Tangentially, to some extent.Invisibility is a spell effect (usually) and spell rules are pretty hard and fast and more or less always have been.But take lockpicking.&nbsp; Time was, any character could try this and not necessarily auto-fail but a few classes were clearly better at it.&nbsp; Eventually, that morphed into don't even try unless you've got the skill or ability as you'll auto-fail every time.Same with knowledge.&nbsp; Before 3e codified knowledge into the skill system any character might have some limited knowledge of pretty much anything, based usually on Intelligence and in some cases on class or background.&nbsp; But once that codified system hit, characters without knowledge skills suddenly seemed to know a whole lot less than they used to (as in, often next to nothing) while characters with knowledge skills knew a lot more about a few specific areas.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8386121, member: 29398"] Tangentially, to some extent. Invisibility is a spell effect (usually) and spell rules are pretty hard and fast and more or less always have been. But take lockpicking. Time was, any character could try this and not necessarily auto-fail but a few classes were clearly better at it. Eventually, that morphed into don't even try unless you've got the skill or ability as you'll auto-fail every time. Same with knowledge. Before 3e codified knowledge into the skill system any character might have some limited knowledge of pretty much anything, based usually on Intelligence and in some cases on class or background. But once that codified system hit, characters without knowledge skills suddenly seemed to know a whole lot less than they used to (as in, often next to nothing) while characters with knowledge skills knew a lot more about a few specific areas. [/QUOTE]

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