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<blockquote data-quote="prosfilaes" data-source="post: 7135129" data-attributes="member: 40166"><p>No, that is not a statement of fact. "It's just a little lacking in unique flavour" is clearly an opinion, as it's clearly subjective. "PCs are like mayflies and are forgotten." The first part is a simile and the second part is clearly true if you take it literally. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Page 7 of the 3E Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting offers us a full page on Elminister, 35th level character. Elsewhere it's easy to find a dozen examples of NPCs over 20th level. Taking the 3E Eberron Campaign Setting, I don't see any NPCs over 20th level, and I found a 3rd level cleric that's 20th level in his kingdom, and a 20th level awakened pine tree druid, but I think the rest I saw were under 15 and most under 10. Also, again page 7 of the FRCS is spent on Elminster, and many, many NPCs get a half-page or more to detail them, whereas for the ECS e.g. "(LN male hobgoblin, fighter 13)" suffices and then a paragraph about character. That is, 3E Eberron has no NPCs of such level the PCs may never reach, and does not present NPCs as a major thing about the setting, whereas the 3E FRCS does.</p><p></p><p>Likewise Golarion. Is there a single high-level good NPC in Golarion? I don't know of any. There are some named high-level to super high-level evil NPCs in the setting, but generally high-level PCs end up the only possible response to problems they're called to. And as for "I don't know of any", that's important, because I don't feel that NPCs I don't know about are overshadowing my PC.</p><p></p><p>At the end of the Zeitgeist and original Dragonlance Adventure Paths, the PCs were clearly the most powerful people around and the only people who could make the necessary world-shaking changes. That's not true in FR; there will be multiple NPCs, Chosen of the Gods 10 levels above the PCs.</p><p></p><p>(I understand that 5E has changed some things. It's not necessarily the FR we're reacting to, however.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I read this when someone doesn't like something you do, you'll badger them until they admit they should like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="prosfilaes, post: 7135129, member: 40166"] No, that is not a statement of fact. "It's just a little lacking in unique flavour" is clearly an opinion, as it's clearly subjective. "PCs are like mayflies and are forgotten." The first part is a simile and the second part is clearly true if you take it literally. Page 7 of the 3E Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting offers us a full page on Elminister, 35th level character. Elsewhere it's easy to find a dozen examples of NPCs over 20th level. Taking the 3E Eberron Campaign Setting, I don't see any NPCs over 20th level, and I found a 3rd level cleric that's 20th level in his kingdom, and a 20th level awakened pine tree druid, but I think the rest I saw were under 15 and most under 10. Also, again page 7 of the FRCS is spent on Elminster, and many, many NPCs get a half-page or more to detail them, whereas for the ECS e.g. "(LN male hobgoblin, fighter 13)" suffices and then a paragraph about character. That is, 3E Eberron has no NPCs of such level the PCs may never reach, and does not present NPCs as a major thing about the setting, whereas the 3E FRCS does. Likewise Golarion. Is there a single high-level good NPC in Golarion? I don't know of any. There are some named high-level to super high-level evil NPCs in the setting, but generally high-level PCs end up the only possible response to problems they're called to. And as for "I don't know of any", that's important, because I don't feel that NPCs I don't know about are overshadowing my PC. At the end of the Zeitgeist and original Dragonlance Adventure Paths, the PCs were clearly the most powerful people around and the only people who could make the necessary world-shaking changes. That's not true in FR; there will be multiple NPCs, Chosen of the Gods 10 levels above the PCs. (I understand that 5E has changed some things. It's not necessarily the FR we're reacting to, however.) I read this when someone doesn't like something you do, you'll badger them until they admit they should like it. [/QUOTE]
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