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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7138141" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>Castle Greyhawk is more than just an adventure...it's the iconic dungeon that gives the setting its name. The adventure that shares its name is garbage. I think most of is are willing to overlook it from a canonical standpoint. Not that canon meams all that much to me, but I know it's a big deal to others. I think even the most canon-minded of us would ignore the Castle Greyhawk adventure.</p><p></p><p>Which kind of seems like what you're doing here. You attribute Greyhawk story elements you don't like as being "FRealmsian" and you make concessions for over the top power levels and plot points wiyhjn Greyhawk, but decry them in he Realms. </p><p></p><p>Seems a bit odd.</p><p></p><p>And for the record, I like Greyhawk just fine. Zagyg and Iggwilv are both part of my campaign, along with a lot of other Greyhawk characters and ideas. </p><p></p><p>I just realize that the two worlds aren't really that different. They both owe what they are to Tolkien, with sprinklings of Lieber, Moorcock, Howard, and the other usual suspects. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Vecna seems to be a pretty big one that you're missing. St.Cuthbert was a mortal who ascended. Just having that established means that it's a game element and is something the PCs can attempt. Especially given what we know of the early games by Gygax and crew.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7138141, member: 6785785"] Castle Greyhawk is more than just an adventure...it's the iconic dungeon that gives the setting its name. The adventure that shares its name is garbage. I think most of is are willing to overlook it from a canonical standpoint. Not that canon meams all that much to me, but I know it's a big deal to others. I think even the most canon-minded of us would ignore the Castle Greyhawk adventure. Which kind of seems like what you're doing here. You attribute Greyhawk story elements you don't like as being "FRealmsian" and you make concessions for over the top power levels and plot points wiyhjn Greyhawk, but decry them in he Realms. Seems a bit odd. And for the record, I like Greyhawk just fine. Zagyg and Iggwilv are both part of my campaign, along with a lot of other Greyhawk characters and ideas. I just realize that the two worlds aren't really that different. They both owe what they are to Tolkien, with sprinklings of Lieber, Moorcock, Howard, and the other usual suspects. Vecna seems to be a pretty big one that you're missing. St.Cuthbert was a mortal who ascended. Just having that established means that it's a game element and is something the PCs can attempt. Especially given what we know of the early games by Gygax and crew. [/QUOTE]
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