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<blockquote data-quote="MackMcMacky" data-source="post: 7138534" data-attributes="member: 6876074"><p>You have a fundamentally confused idea of what Mordenkainen does. Unless someone is playing earlier in the timeline than is suggested, Mordenkainen has a stronghold called the Obsidian Citadel. He spends a lot of his time there with his gnome buddies and his henchmen. I can't think of a single module where he actively does anything. I don't have all of them but I have a bunch of them.</p><p></p><p>And you are back to your mantra of leave it out. And I get that. The problem for me is there is not much left to use if I leave all the stuff out I dislike. I don't have one thing I don't like about Forgotten Realms. I have many. The point about Elminster is you and another poster wanted examples of Elminster being used "muscularly" in published products and I delivered. Again, your posts attempt to isolate something I say, wring context out of it, and dismiss it after you've built a straw man.</p><p></p><p>And you just literally did what I pointed out. You label in an attempt to oversimplify and avoid qualitative details and differences. </p><p>Elminster may be a "sage" but he doesn't simply set, IN THE PUBLISHED MATERIAL, and answer a few questions for some coin. Mordenkainen may be an "adventurer" (or rather "was" an "adventurer") but what is he actually doing? Playing Freeholder and musing on esoteric and magical things. It's clear he is described as reluctant to interpose whereas it is obvious that Elminster is portrayed as very busy manipulating events.</p><p></p><p>Your labels are weak sauce.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MackMcMacky, post: 7138534, member: 6876074"] You have a fundamentally confused idea of what Mordenkainen does. Unless someone is playing earlier in the timeline than is suggested, Mordenkainen has a stronghold called the Obsidian Citadel. He spends a lot of his time there with his gnome buddies and his henchmen. I can't think of a single module where he actively does anything. I don't have all of them but I have a bunch of them. And you are back to your mantra of leave it out. And I get that. The problem for me is there is not much left to use if I leave all the stuff out I dislike. I don't have one thing I don't like about Forgotten Realms. I have many. The point about Elminster is you and another poster wanted examples of Elminster being used "muscularly" in published products and I delivered. Again, your posts attempt to isolate something I say, wring context out of it, and dismiss it after you've built a straw man. And you just literally did what I pointed out. You label in an attempt to oversimplify and avoid qualitative details and differences. Elminster may be a "sage" but he doesn't simply set, IN THE PUBLISHED MATERIAL, and answer a few questions for some coin. Mordenkainen may be an "adventurer" (or rather "was" an "adventurer") but what is he actually doing? Playing Freeholder and musing on esoteric and magical things. It's clear he is described as reluctant to interpose whereas it is obvious that Elminster is portrayed as very busy manipulating events. Your labels are weak sauce. [/QUOTE]
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