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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7139135" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>Sure, I get it. I mean, there are two reasons for this. The real world reason of it being a Captain America comic rather than a Thor or Avengers one. And then the fictional reason...Thor was fighting Magog and wasn't available to help.</p><p></p><p>But....there's a difference for a game setting because the DM (and the players) have a huge say in the fiction. The DM is not a passive audience member who is unable to explain away this illusion breaking plot hole. The DM can actively address it. Each group should be playing in their version of the Realms. </p><p></p><p>So, if this is going to be a problem for a specific game, then why wouldn't it fall to the DM to cater things to his or her group? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These are good questions. Why wouldn't Khelben or Elminster help? For my players, the question would be "Who?", but for other players, especially one who's gone to the trouble of incorporating one of them into his background, they're important questions. </p><p></p><p>So isn't this a game specific issue? And wouldn't a game specific issue be more a DM matter than a designer matter?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's interesting, because for many others, the problem is when he shows up, not when he is left out. </p><p></p><p>I think 5E has made a great effort to diminish the importance or prominence of many of the long-standing NPCs. All the NPCs that have been introduced in the adventures are involved in the stories. They don't offer anything for characters beyond the story, other than a couple of passing mentions. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know. I would think that if I really thought this was going to be an issue, I'd make one excuse that lasted....he's dead. Boom, nice and simple, never a problem again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7139135, member: 6785785"] Sure, I get it. I mean, there are two reasons for this. The real world reason of it being a Captain America comic rather than a Thor or Avengers one. And then the fictional reason...Thor was fighting Magog and wasn't available to help. But....there's a difference for a game setting because the DM (and the players) have a huge say in the fiction. The DM is not a passive audience member who is unable to explain away this illusion breaking plot hole. The DM can actively address it. Each group should be playing in their version of the Realms. So, if this is going to be a problem for a specific game, then why wouldn't it fall to the DM to cater things to his or her group? These are good questions. Why wouldn't Khelben or Elminster help? For my players, the question would be "Who?", but for other players, especially one who's gone to the trouble of incorporating one of them into his background, they're important questions. So isn't this a game specific issue? And wouldn't a game specific issue be more a DM matter than a designer matter? That's interesting, because for many others, the problem is when he shows up, not when he is left out. I think 5E has made a great effort to diminish the importance or prominence of many of the long-standing NPCs. All the NPCs that have been introduced in the adventures are involved in the stories. They don't offer anything for characters beyond the story, other than a couple of passing mentions. I don't know. I would think that if I really thought this was going to be an issue, I'd make one excuse that lasted....he's dead. Boom, nice and simple, never a problem again. [/QUOTE]
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