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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7139573" data-attributes="member: 22779">Well, let's trace the argument shall we?Critic:  I don't like FR because I feel that the number of high and very high level NPC's in the setting overshadow the PC's.  It feels like all the important stuff in the setting gets done by NPC's and the PC's are just sort of there.Maxperson:  Other settings are like this.  There's high level NPC's in every setting.Critic:  That's not really true though.  Sure, that might be true in some settings.  Planescape, for example, features demons and angels walking down the street.  It can be a problem for some players when you're a first level PC walking into a bar and there's a freaking Solar sitting next to you having a beer.  On the other hand, there are a number of settings where this isn't really true.  Dragonlance is very low powered, particularly in the pre-3e incarnation where your high powered NPC's really can't intervene - Par Salian is a very old man who never leaves the Tower of High Sorcery.  Dalamar is restricted to his tower.  The setting doesn't have any high level clerics or druids (again, pre-3e) and pretty much all the other high level NPC's are bad guys.  Ravenloft is another setting where you don't have gobs of high level NPC's wandering around.  Greyhawk also doesn't really.  Maxperson:  But, only a bad DM would let these powerful NPC's overshadow the players.Critic:  ... I find it rather implausible that you have so many high powered NPC's in the setting that no one ever gets involved.  Waterdeep has a population of (depending on which book you read) somewhere between 150k and 2 million.  By 3e standards, you have dozens of high double digit NPC's just in that city alone, of every class.  Baldur's Gate, according to canon, has about 150k people in it.  Again, if we're using 3e demographics, we're talking half a dozen 18th or higher level NPC's of every class.  And that's just two cities.  There are many cities of similar size in FR.  I find it unbelievable that no one ever gets involved when the PC's are dealing with RSE's.Maxperson:  None of that is canon according to me.Critic:  Umm... well... uh... That's about the long and the short of it, isn't it?</blockquote>

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