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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7157033" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>No. I'm saying that, prior to 2nd ed AD&D's specialty priests, the core tools the game gives me to run divine PCs (clerics and paladins) aren't a very good fit for the classic polytheistic pantheons (Greek, Norse, Babylonian/Sumerian, etc) and fictional variations thereon.</p><p></p><p>I don't know how you intend "implied". I took [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] to mean something like "entailed" - certainly stronger than "suggested". And the evidence he points to is good evidence - Appendix IV of the AD&D PHB.</p><p></p><p>But that evidence:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">(i) doesn't exist in other sources (eg Moldvay Basic - the reference to "a god" is as consistent with <em>a god chosen by the GM to be the god of the campaign world</em> as it is with <em>a god chosen by the player from among the many of the campaign world</em>);</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">(ii) faces the problem that there are few or no tools for actually implementing it in play - the cleric class is simply <em>not a good fit</em> for a priest of Artemis, or Dionysus, or Baldur, or Ishtar, or . . . - let alone for a devotee of the Happy Hunting Grounds.</p><p></p><p>The introduction of specialty priests into 2nd ed AD&D, and their perpetuation (in various more-or-less limited ways) into 3E and 5e are a <em>real change</em> to the game, that make the implementation of polytheism in a campaign world much more practical.</p><p></p><p>It means that either (i) I missed the implication that is to be found in Moldvay Basic, or (ii) it is not there. My contention is that it is not there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7157033, member: 42582"] No. I'm saying that, prior to 2nd ed AD&D's specialty priests, the core tools the game gives me to run divine PCs (clerics and paladins) aren't a very good fit for the classic polytheistic pantheons (Greek, Norse, Babylonian/Sumerian, etc) and fictional variations thereon. I don't know how you intend "implied". I took [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] to mean something like "entailed" - certainly stronger than "suggested". And the evidence he points to is good evidence - Appendix IV of the AD&D PHB. But that evidence: [indent](i) doesn't exist in other sources (eg Moldvay Basic - the reference to "a god" is as consistent with [I]a god chosen by the GM to be the god of the campaign world[/I] as it is with [I]a god chosen by the player from among the many of the campaign world[/I]); (ii) faces the problem that there are few or no tools for actually implementing it in play - the cleric class is simply [I]not a good fit[/I] for a priest of Artemis, or Dionysus, or Baldur, or Ishtar, or . . . - let alone for a devotee of the Happy Hunting Grounds.[/indent] The introduction of specialty priests into 2nd ed AD&D, and their perpetuation (in various more-or-less limited ways) into 3E and 5e are a [I]real change[/I] to the game, that make the implementation of polytheism in a campaign world much more practical. It means that either (i) I missed the implication that is to be found in Moldvay Basic, or (ii) it is not there. My contention is that it is not there. [/QUOTE]
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