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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7158067" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>[MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION], [MENTION=6688277]Sadras[/MENTION], [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION]</p><p></p><p>Is it relevant to the claim that Moldvay Basic <em>implies</em> or <em>assumes</em> polytheism that the only picture of a cleric - that is unmistakably a cleric - that I can find in the book is on p B10, and is of a man wearing a cross? Is it relevant that, in the example of turning undead (p B9), the cleric is called "Father Miles"? Or that the cleric in the example of play (B28, B59) is callled "Sister Rebecca", who - when Black Dougal dies - gives him "the last rites of [her] church"?</p><p></p><p>Now that I re-read them, I think these examples are probably what most influenced me and my friends' early conceptions of what a cleric is. The PC cleric in our game was called Brother Simon. It's only in the Expert Book (p X7) that we see a cleric with a name that is more suggestive of non-monotheistic tendencies (although hardly definitive on the point): the example of turning undead on that page involves "Antonius the Wise".</p><p></p><p>(Other character pictures in the Basic book: B6, MU and F; B10 - the cleric is in a picture with various other classes; B11 - if the person wrestling with the would-be goblin slayer is a cleric, he looks a lot like a templar type to me; B20 - edged weapons, not clerics; B42 - sword, not cleric; B47 - look like MUs to me; B48 - sword belt, not cleric. </p><p></p><p>In the Expert book there is only one picture of a clerical candidate - the mace-wielder on X25 - but his/her back is to us and no holy symbol is visible. That said, s/he certainly looks like a crusader-type. The other characters: X6 fighter talking to halflings; X8 fighter with sword (and the gargoyle/demon <em>seems</em> to be leaning on an up-ended stone cross); X16, X17 & X18 - MUs; X20 - elf or MU; X21 - NPC alchemist; X22 - NPC mercenaries.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7158067, member: 42582"] [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION], [MENTION=6688277]Sadras[/MENTION], [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] Is it relevant to the claim that Moldvay Basic [I]implies[/I] or [I]assumes[/I] polytheism that the only picture of a cleric - that is unmistakably a cleric - that I can find in the book is on p B10, and is of a man wearing a cross? Is it relevant that, in the example of turning undead (p B9), the cleric is called "Father Miles"? Or that the cleric in the example of play (B28, B59) is callled "Sister Rebecca", who - when Black Dougal dies - gives him "the last rites of [her] church"? Now that I re-read them, I think these examples are probably what most influenced me and my friends' early conceptions of what a cleric is. The PC cleric in our game was called Brother Simon. It's only in the Expert Book (p X7) that we see a cleric with a name that is more suggestive of non-monotheistic tendencies (although hardly definitive on the point): the example of turning undead on that page involves "Antonius the Wise". (Other character pictures in the Basic book: B6, MU and F; B10 - the cleric is in a picture with various other classes; B11 - if the person wrestling with the would-be goblin slayer is a cleric, he looks a lot like a templar type to me; B20 - edged weapons, not clerics; B42 - sword, not cleric; B47 - look like MUs to me; B48 - sword belt, not cleric. In the Expert book there is only one picture of a clerical candidate - the mace-wielder on X25 - but his/her back is to us and no holy symbol is visible. That said, s/he certainly looks like a crusader-type. The other characters: X6 fighter talking to halflings; X8 fighter with sword (and the gargoyle/demon [i]seems[/I] to be leaning on an up-ended stone cross); X16, X17 & X18 - MUs; X20 - elf or MU; X21 - NPC alchemist; X22 - NPC mercenaries.) [/QUOTE]
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