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<blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 7162894" data-attributes="member: 6688277"><p>Clerics and wizards manipulate supernatural energies, but they themselves are not supernatural.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also just to mention again, I did say being supernatural is but <strong>one</strong> of the primary criteria for a deity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Given that we are in a 5e thread and Yaarel was specifically commenting on polytheism within 5e D&D books, I feel it is safe to say we are not discussing the definition of deities within 4e where as you have illustrated would have had to create mortals. Gilean of DL did not create mortals, yet he is considered a deity. Dionysus did not create mortals, yet he is a deity. Thor did not create mortals, yet he is a deity. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whether you find 4e tradition/definition of deities more interesting/fruitful is not the topic since you seem to be disregarding 5e D&D setting material and RW mythology on what god status includes. </p><p> You cannot exclude the definitions of who/what deities are because you do not find them interesting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is the definition of his portfolio but it does not match up with your requirements for deities to create mortals, or anchoring and integrating the greater cosmos (whatever that means) into the lives and purposes of mortals.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you stating that in 2e, 3e and 5e, there are no supernatural beings such as demon lords/prince and primordials that are worshipped? Because if they did exist within those editions, then I'm not sure why you felt the need to create the specific link between 4e and D&D classic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sadras, post: 7162894, member: 6688277"] Clerics and wizards manipulate supernatural energies, but they themselves are not supernatural. Also just to mention again, I did say being supernatural is but [B]one[/B] of the primary criteria for a deity. Given that we are in a 5e thread and Yaarel was specifically commenting on polytheism within 5e D&D books, I feel it is safe to say we are not discussing the definition of deities within 4e where as you have illustrated would have had to create mortals. Gilean of DL did not create mortals, yet he is considered a deity. Dionysus did not create mortals, yet he is a deity. Thor did not create mortals, yet he is a deity. Whether you find 4e tradition/definition of deities more interesting/fruitful is not the topic since you seem to be disregarding 5e D&D setting material and RW mythology on what god status includes. You cannot exclude the definitions of who/what deities are because you do not find them interesting. That is the definition of his portfolio but it does not match up with your requirements for deities to create mortals, or anchoring and integrating the greater cosmos (whatever that means) into the lives and purposes of mortals. Are you stating that in 2e, 3e and 5e, there are no supernatural beings such as demon lords/prince and primordials that are worshipped? Because if they did exist within those editions, then I'm not sure why you felt the need to create the specific link between 4e and D&D classic. [/QUOTE]
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