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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7162919" data-attributes="member: 42582">The question was asked (eg by [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]) why [MENTION=58172]Yaarel[/MENTION] focuses on 5e rather than other editions as particularly committed to polytheism. I've tried to address that question, by pointing to differences in the ways that different versions of the game approach the cleric class, the nature of gods, etc.No. I'm saying that in those editions they are treated as gods. Unlike in 4e and in (early) AD&D.I never said that a deity must create mortals. I said that, in 4e, the gods created mortals and imposed form - which is what contrasts them with the primordials. (Also, to say that the gods created mortals is not to imply that each individual god created one or more mortals: I'm intending a collective, not a distributed reading).Dionysus does anchor and integrate the greater cosmos into the lives and purposes of mortals: he establishes a context and a logic for cultivation in general, and the cultivation of wine in particular, and also for drinking wine, getting drunk etc. He makes intoxication something of significance rather than just an arbitrary process of biochemistry.</blockquote>