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*Why* full round metamagic for socerers?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3237582" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>But it's the reason given for the increased casting time.</p><p></p><p><em>As with other spellcasters, the improved spell uses up a higher-level spell slot. But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. <strong>Therefore</strong>, such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell. </em></p><p></p><p>It's not that a/ sorcerers and bards take more time to cast a metamagic spell, and b/ sorcerers and bards apply metamagic feats on the spot to spells not prepared in a metamagic form in advance.</p><p></p><p>It's that sorcerers and bards take more time to cast a metamagic spell <em>because</em> they apply metamagic feats on the spot to spells not prepared in a metamagic form in advance.</p><p></p><p>One <em>causes</em> the other. And because a sorcerer using a rod still takes extra time, we know that the rod doesn't let you get around the fact that applying metamagic feats on the spot to spells not prepared in a metamagic form in advance causes an increase in casting time.</p><p></p><p>If the ruling was that applying a metamagic feat on the fly to a spell not prepared in advance caused an increased casting time, the FAQ ruling would be consistent; a sorcerer using the rod to apply Empower to Magic Missile is applying it to a spell not prepared in advance, while a wizard using the rod to apply Empower to Magic Missile is applying it to a spell prepared in advance.</p><p></p><p>But that's <em>not</em> the rule, and the wizard is using the rod to apply Empower to a spell not <em>prepared in a metamagic form</em> in advance. So he should suffer the increased casting time, just like the sorcerer.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3237582, member: 1656"] But it's the reason given for the increased casting time. [i]As with other spellcasters, the improved spell uses up a higher-level spell slot. But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. [b]Therefore[/b], such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell. [/i] It's not that a/ sorcerers and bards take more time to cast a metamagic spell, and b/ sorcerers and bards apply metamagic feats on the spot to spells not prepared in a metamagic form in advance. It's that sorcerers and bards take more time to cast a metamagic spell [i]because[/i] they apply metamagic feats on the spot to spells not prepared in a metamagic form in advance. One [i]causes[/i] the other. And because a sorcerer using a rod still takes extra time, we know that the rod doesn't let you get around the fact that applying metamagic feats on the spot to spells not prepared in a metamagic form in advance causes an increase in casting time. If the ruling was that applying a metamagic feat on the fly to a spell not prepared in advance caused an increased casting time, the FAQ ruling would be consistent; a sorcerer using the rod to apply Empower to Magic Missile is applying it to a spell not prepared in advance, while a wizard using the rod to apply Empower to Magic Missile is applying it to a spell prepared in advance. But that's [i]not[/i] the rule, and the wizard is using the rod to apply Empower to a spell not [i]prepared in a metamagic form[/i] in advance. So he should suffer the increased casting time, just like the sorcerer. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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