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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6992343" data-attributes="member: 15700">Why?&nbsp; to make yourself feel better for choosing the more complex option, like a reward or something?&nbsp; Personal preference of playstyle shouldn't mean &quot;I'm mechanically better than you too.&quot;&nbsp; It just means &quot;I like different things than you.&quot;&nbsp; In fact, the goal was to have both simpler and complex PCs at the same table with minimal difference in overall mechanical effectiveness.&nbsp; That was one of the worst problems with 3e, the system mastery disparity.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you choose the more complex option, that should be because that's what you prefer.&nbsp; It shouldn't be because you want to be better than the other players like it's some sort of competition.To the OP, personally, I think it's flawed to make a lot of these BM vs champion comparisons because even from just a DPR context, it all comes down to how many combat rounds there are between short rests.&nbsp; And that varies widely, so it's a futile effort to come up with some sort of objective declaration of the winner.&nbsp; IMO, we'd be better served to stop worrying about it and just play what you want to play.&nbsp; Don't like champions?&nbsp; Fine, don't play one.&nbsp; No need to disparage other people.&nbsp; I don't like bards, but you won't see me going around saying how people who play bards are worse than me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6992343, member: 15700"] Why? to make yourself feel better for choosing the more complex option, like a reward or something? Personal preference of playstyle shouldn't mean "I'm mechanically better than you too." It just means "I like different things than you." In fact, the goal was to have both simpler and complex PCs at the same table with minimal difference in overall mechanical effectiveness. That was one of the worst problems with 3e, the system mastery disparity. If you choose the more complex option, that should be because that's what you prefer. It shouldn't be because you want to be better than the other players like it's some sort of competition. To the OP, personally, I think it's flawed to make a lot of these BM vs champion comparisons because even from just a DPR context, it all comes down to how many combat rounds there are between short rests. And that varies widely, so it's a futile effort to come up with some sort of objective declaration of the winner. IMO, we'd be better served to stop worrying about it and just play what you want to play. Don't like champions? Fine, don't play one. No need to disparage other people. I don't like bards, but you won't see me going around saying how people who play bards are worse than me. [/QUOTE]

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