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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 6992521" data-attributes="member: 19857">So only Evil rogues should use bows? (I kid, but your post titles make me think we're talking alignment here not effectiveness).&nbsp; (ETA - Dang it - Tony Vargas got the joke in first...)Anyway, this is a problem with players belief in what a rogue &quot;should&quot; be (the sneaky guy who is fragile and can't take hits so should stay at the back) not matching what the 5e rogue actually is (the deft swashbuckler who isn't as fragile as you think and mathematically shouldn't be getting hit very often anyway).I've found this mostly to be a problem with players who have played D&amp;D since the old days or who think the of rogue as &quot;a thief, like Bilbo in the Hobbit&quot;.&nbsp; Not so much of a problem for players who came in post 3rd edition or who glom onto the class as more Han Solo or Jack Sparrow types than Bilbo types.&nbsp; Or from players who are actively looking to be an effective ranged combatant and assume that must be the rogue because it would have been a thief when they played back in the 2nd edition days (or whenever they last played).To the first group, sitting down and giving them a good explanation of what the class mechanically really is helps.&nbsp; To the second group, pointing them to the ranger and saying &quot;that's the guy you probably really want to play in this edition&quot; helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 6992521, member: 19857"] So only Evil rogues should use bows? (I kid, but your post titles make me think we're talking alignment here not effectiveness). (ETA - Dang it - Tony Vargas got the joke in first...) Anyway, this is a problem with players belief in what a rogue "should" be (the sneaky guy who is fragile and can't take hits so should stay at the back) not matching what the 5e rogue actually is (the deft swashbuckler who isn't as fragile as you think and mathematically shouldn't be getting hit very often anyway). I've found this mostly to be a problem with players who have played D&D since the old days or who think the of rogue as "a thief, like Bilbo in the Hobbit". Not so much of a problem for players who came in post 3rd edition or who glom onto the class as more Han Solo or Jack Sparrow types than Bilbo types. Or from players who are actively looking to be an effective ranged combatant and assume that must be the rogue because it would have been a thief when they played back in the 2nd edition days (or whenever they last played). To the first group, sitting down and giving them a good explanation of what the class mechanically really is helps. To the second group, pointing them to the ranger and saying "that's the guy you probably really want to play in this edition" helps. [/QUOTE]

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