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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 4285302" data-attributes="member: 2518">Grappling a armoured foe was not an act of desperation. A dagger + grappling was considered a very effective weapon against someone in plate armour.Sure heaving a armour breaking weapon might be preferable, but they were mostly heavy and required much room to wield properly.And most of the time it was better to grapple a foe in plate mail with a dagger than attack him with a sword.And even if it was a act of desperation, it was a commonly used one and all knights trained for it. So why not have rules for such a common fighting technique?</blockquote>