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<blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9598578"><p>I think of Star Wars as more of a Generation X thing (but I tend to think of boomers more as the 60s generation). My memory is when TFA came out, I didn't mind all these changes. I mean I think having them divorced does undercut the ending of Jedi a bit. But I also understand, they need conflict and changes to keep the movies going. I also thought it was kind of indulgent to kill Han off like that (it didn't bother me, didn't ruin the movie, but it felt a bit like a cheap plot beat). However I really liked TFA. I thought it was about as well done as we were going to get after the prequels (which really didn't land that well for me). Really what threw the wrench in the films for me as a fan was TLJ. As a film on its own, it was fine. If they had given him that money to make a standalone science fiction I think it would have worked better. But the problem with TLJ is 1) turns Luke into an entirely different character (this isn't a head cannon issue, even the actor who played him said it felt like a completely different version of luke, because Luke was the one who embodied the optimism of the first trilogy---and if you look at interviews of Hamil from that time and later, you see what an optimistic guy who was, which I assume had something to do with the casting decision), 2) the dialogue hits you over the head with its message in a way that distracts from the story (lines like the one about killing the past if you have to), and 3) it isn't a well written second installment in a trilogy. It doesn't give the next movie anywhere real to go, and it doesn't leave you excited to see the next movie (contrast that with the end of Empire, where you can't wait to find out what happens in the next film). They shouldn't have pitted two directors against each other over the course of a trilogy. That isn't about them ruining head cannon. That is just not a good way to make a three part movie</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 85555, post: 9598578"] I think of Star Wars as more of a Generation X thing (but I tend to think of boomers more as the 60s generation). My memory is when TFA came out, I didn't mind all these changes. I mean I think having them divorced does undercut the ending of Jedi a bit. But I also understand, they need conflict and changes to keep the movies going. I also thought it was kind of indulgent to kill Han off like that (it didn't bother me, didn't ruin the movie, but it felt a bit like a cheap plot beat). However I really liked TFA. I thought it was about as well done as we were going to get after the prequels (which really didn't land that well for me). Really what threw the wrench in the films for me as a fan was TLJ. As a film on its own, it was fine. If they had given him that money to make a standalone science fiction I think it would have worked better. But the problem with TLJ is 1) turns Luke into an entirely different character (this isn't a head cannon issue, even the actor who played him said it felt like a completely different version of luke, because Luke was the one who embodied the optimism of the first trilogy---and if you look at interviews of Hamil from that time and later, you see what an optimistic guy who was, which I assume had something to do with the casting decision), 2) the dialogue hits you over the head with its message in a way that distracts from the story (lines like the one about killing the past if you have to), and 3) it isn't a well written second installment in a trilogy. It doesn't give the next movie anywhere real to go, and it doesn't leave you excited to see the next movie (contrast that with the end of Empire, where you can't wait to find out what happens in the next film). They shouldn't have pitted two directors against each other over the course of a trilogy. That isn't about them ruining head cannon. That is just not a good way to make a three part movie [/QUOTE]
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