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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9599267" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Finally caught up to where I had first posted. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, yes I did. I also read the part where you made the argument that because "grognards" buy products they are part of WoTC's target audience. Which is also true of every other demographic which buys WoTC's products. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, and the bolded and underlined bits are why you keep getting pushback. Sure, "grognards" matter. That is a nothing statement akin to saying "women matter" or "veterans matter", there is nothing to consider or change because all you are stating is that a group we know exists and buys DnD products... exists and buys DnD products. There is nothing to that to justify a post of more than a sentence length. You don't have anything to <strong>prove </strong>with that statement.</p><p></p><p>But then we get to the "worry" part of the equation. The part where you say that WoTC should "come back" to a way of playing, that they should be "cautious" and keep as many "grognards" as possible playing. Which... isn't actually something you can support. </p><p></p><p>For example, there is at least one, maybe two self-identified "Grognards" in this thread who have not purchased a single product from the rules revision. They have in fact stated in the past that it has been a long time since they purchased a WoTC product. Meanwhile, I would not identify as a "Grognard" and out of the three books released, I have made 8 purchases. Between gifts for others and getting a spare in case I run a game in the future, I've purchased 4 2024 PHBs, 2 DMGs, and 2 MMs. So... what now? Not only have I purchased their entire "new" product line twice over, I plan on buying more of their books in the future. But if they pursued some of the things that would attract people who stopped playing years ago... then I would stop buying their books. I'm a "bird in the hand" and I'm largely happy with the direction they've gone in. As are all the other people my age who are buying these new books. </p><p></p><p>So... I doubt there is a tension on not driving away self-described "grognards" because they have already been driven away in large part, and if they haven't been... then they are fine with the direction the game is going. Remember, Matthew Mercer might very well be considered a Grognard, but many people who claim that title refer to him and his style with derision.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9599267, member: 6801228"] Finally caught up to where I had first posted. Yes, yes I did. I also read the part where you made the argument that because "grognards" buy products they are part of WoTC's target audience. Which is also true of every other demographic which buys WoTC's products. See, and the bolded and underlined bits are why you keep getting pushback. Sure, "grognards" matter. That is a nothing statement akin to saying "women matter" or "veterans matter", there is nothing to consider or change because all you are stating is that a group we know exists and buys DnD products... exists and buys DnD products. There is nothing to that to justify a post of more than a sentence length. You don't have anything to [B]prove [/B]with that statement. But then we get to the "worry" part of the equation. The part where you say that WoTC should "come back" to a way of playing, that they should be "cautious" and keep as many "grognards" as possible playing. Which... isn't actually something you can support. For example, there is at least one, maybe two self-identified "Grognards" in this thread who have not purchased a single product from the rules revision. They have in fact stated in the past that it has been a long time since they purchased a WoTC product. Meanwhile, I would not identify as a "Grognard" and out of the three books released, I have made 8 purchases. Between gifts for others and getting a spare in case I run a game in the future, I've purchased 4 2024 PHBs, 2 DMGs, and 2 MMs. So... what now? Not only have I purchased their entire "new" product line twice over, I plan on buying more of their books in the future. But if they pursued some of the things that would attract people who stopped playing years ago... then I would stop buying their books. I'm a "bird in the hand" and I'm largely happy with the direction they've gone in. As are all the other people my age who are buying these new books. So... I doubt there is a tension on not driving away self-described "grognards" because they have already been driven away in large part, and if they haven't been... then they are fine with the direction the game is going. Remember, Matthew Mercer might very well be considered a Grognard, but many people who claim that title refer to him and his style with derision. [/QUOTE]
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