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<blockquote data-quote="prosfilaes" data-source="post: 6831474" data-attributes="member: 40166">For one, games don't tend to have a bunch of challenges that are that weak. A level 12 party versus 30 kobolds is going to take an hour to resolve, and most players don't want to waste an hour resolving a battle with no risk or resource use. It's not fun for most people.For another, if I were playing GURPS and I put a bunch of points in staff fighting, fine, I probably want to show off my cool staff fighting at some point. But in D&amp;D, just because the numbers on the character sheet say I'm a good staff fighter--that it's part of the rules that a 12th level Wizard is a pretty good staff fighter--doesn't mean that it's part of my character concept. When I play a wizard, the reason why I travel with fighters is they can deal with this <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. Don't confuse him with the guy over there who enjoys getting physical and has a cool collection of scars to show off. If I were building them in a GURPS-like system with limited magic, they might well have high points in ranged weapons, but would have points in Run Away and Escape Artist instead of Hitting. You can't use the fact that the rules system forces me to be semi-skilled in something to force me to make it part of my character. There's other archetypes I could play, but I'd probably go some sort of gish if I actually wanted to fight hand-to-hand at some point.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="prosfilaes, post: 6831474, member: 40166"] For one, games don't tend to have a bunch of challenges that are that weak. A level 12 party versus 30 kobolds is going to take an hour to resolve, and most players don't want to waste an hour resolving a battle with no risk or resource use. It's not fun for most people. For another, if I were playing GURPS and I put a bunch of points in staff fighting, fine, I probably want to show off my cool staff fighting at some point. But in D&D, just because the numbers on the character sheet say I'm a good staff fighter--that it's part of the rules that a 12th level Wizard is a pretty good staff fighter--doesn't mean that it's part of my character concept. When I play a wizard, the reason why I travel with fighters is they can deal with this :):):):). Don't confuse him with the guy over there who enjoys getting physical and has a cool collection of scars to show off. If I were building them in a GURPS-like system with limited magic, they might well have high points in ranged weapons, but would have points in Run Away and Escape Artist instead of Hitting. You can't use the fact that the rules system forces me to be semi-skilled in something to force me to make it part of my character. There's other archetypes I could play, but I'd probably go some sort of gish if I actually wanted to fight hand-to-hand at some point. [/QUOTE]

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