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<blockquote data-quote="innerdude" data-source="post: 6833842" data-attributes="member: 85870">While your point is certainly correct, from a design standpoint it begs the question, if you're having to toss out a zillion things from D&amp;D 5e to get the kind of campaign you want, why are you playing D&amp;D at all? For me the entire appeal of D&amp;D as a system is that it has high fantasy / high magic availability / commonly used magic as its default. It's one of the system's strengths. If I'm considering playing/running D&amp;D, it's because I'm expecting from the get go to have that kind of &quot;classic&quot; D&amp;D experience. If I'm going to play D&amp;D, I'm going to play D&amp;D. Showing up for a &quot;D&amp;D&quot; campaign, only to be told, &quot;Yeah, we're tossing out all core casting classes, and massively restricting sub-classes because we want to run a low-magic campaign&quot; would be a tough sell for me. I'm coming to D&amp;D because I want all of that.&nbsp; If I want a &quot;low magic&quot; campaign, while still giving fighters and mundane types fun tactical and character options, Savage Worlds is infinitely, infinitely better at it right out of the box than D&amp;D.Savage Worlds + the Beasts and Barbarians campaign setting sounds freaking AWESOME to me. D&amp;D - pretty much all magic sounds decidedly &quot;meh&quot; at best. It's becoming more and more my opinion that most problems with D&amp;D can be solved simply by looking outside D&amp;D for the solution.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="innerdude, post: 6833842, member: 85870"] While your point is certainly correct, from a design standpoint it begs the question, if you're having to toss out a zillion things from D&D 5e to get the kind of campaign you want, why are you playing D&D at all? For me the entire appeal of D&D as a system is that it has high fantasy / high magic availability / commonly used magic as its default. It's one of the system's strengths. If I'm considering playing/running D&D, it's because I'm expecting from the get go to have that kind of "classic" D&D experience. If I'm going to play D&D, [I]I'm going to play D&D[/I]. Showing up for a "D&D" campaign, only to be told, "Yeah, we're tossing out all core casting classes, and massively restricting sub-classes because we want to run a low-magic campaign" would be a tough sell for me. I'm coming to D&D because I want all of that. If I want a "low magic" campaign, while still giving fighters and mundane types fun tactical and character options, Savage Worlds is infinitely, infinitely better at it right out of the box than D&D. Savage Worlds + the Beasts and Barbarians campaign setting sounds freaking AWESOME to me. D&D - pretty much all magic sounds decidedly "meh" at best. It's becoming more and more my opinion that most problems with D&D can be solved simply by looking outside D&D for the solution. [/QUOTE]

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