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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6835405" data-attributes="member: 996">Actually casting spells obviously does.&nbsp; But, a Totem Barbarian using a ritual might be just fine for low-magic, for instance.&nbsp; I suppose it did open up some magic item use to them, though, even in 1e - scrolls, at least.&nbsp; &nbsp; So maybe half of Druids have this issue?&nbsp; Cowering in the back until the party encountered a group of enemies that could be affected by his Sleep spell?&nbsp; In 1e, casters had very few spells at low level, couldn't often risk casting them in melee, and had specific things their spells did so well that they were generally best off memorizing certain spells and only casting when those spells were needed, falling back on darts (or wands) and maces and whatnot the rest of the time.&nbsp; All casters were like that, wizards weren't an exception.&nbsp; The wizard would do something other than cast most of the game, at low level, and still need to manage his spell slots until quite high level.&nbsp; Now, casting in melee is automatic, the wizard has more hps, and every primary caster has at-will cantrips.&nbsp; So everyone runs around casting every round, like none of them did in 1e, because they can, and they look a little more like they're adventuring spell casters instead of playing darts at a bar.&nbsp; I think one of the positives of cantrips is that it does let a spellcasting character display spellcasting without blowing a slot.&nbsp; It's mostly window-dressing/fluff.&nbsp; In 3e he might have done as well with a crossbow, or in 1e with 3 darts/round, as casting a cantrip in 5e, but in 5e it's at least looking like he's doing magic.&nbsp; Maybe in a 'low magic' premise, it'd make sense to have fewer slots, or no slots at all, and just cantrips &amp; rituals?&nbsp; In a setting where magic is very rare, but still open to PCs, that is.Or Moon Druid, or Valor Bard, or even Bladesinger, I suppose.It's still AC without having to invest in DEX.&nbsp; And, if your ranged combat uses your caster stat...By 'combat spell,' we are still talking about cantrips that are only about as effective as an attack routine with a weapon at the same character level?&nbsp; &nbsp; Because they're spell-casters?&nbsp; To be fair, the Bard could be 'blasting' you with insults.&nbsp;&nbsp; Since 3.x loosened up their need to spend most of their spells on healing?Singing Wizard just happens to get more toys in D&amp;D, I guess.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6835405, member: 996"] Actually casting spells obviously does. But, a Totem Barbarian using a ritual might be just fine for low-magic, for instance. I suppose it did open up some magic item use to them, though, even in 1e - scrolls, at least. So maybe half of Druids have this issue? Cowering in the back until the party encountered a group of enemies that could be affected by his Sleep spell? In 1e, casters had very few spells at low level, couldn't often risk casting them in melee, and had specific things their spells did so well that they were generally best off memorizing certain spells and only casting when those spells were needed, falling back on darts (or wands) and maces and whatnot the rest of the time. All casters were like that, wizards weren't an exception. The wizard would do something other than cast most of the game, at low level, and still need to manage his spell slots until quite high level. Now, casting in melee is automatic, the wizard has more hps, and every primary caster has at-will cantrips. So everyone runs around casting every round, like none of them did in 1e, because they can, and they look a little more like they're adventuring spell casters instead of playing darts at a bar. I think one of the positives of cantrips is that it does let a spellcasting character display spellcasting without blowing a slot. It's mostly window-dressing/fluff. In 3e he might have done as well with a crossbow, or in 1e with 3 darts/round, as casting a cantrip in 5e, but in 5e it's at least looking like he's doing magic. Maybe in a 'low magic' premise, it'd make sense to have fewer slots, or no slots at all, and just cantrips & rituals? In a setting where magic is very rare, but still open to PCs, that is. Or Moon Druid, or Valor Bard, or even Bladesinger, I suppose. It's still AC without having to invest in DEX. And, if your ranged combat uses your caster stat... By 'combat spell,' we are still talking about cantrips that are only about as effective as an attack routine with a weapon at the same character level? Because they're spell-casters? To be fair, the Bard could be 'blasting' you with insults. Since 3.x loosened up their need to spend most of their spells on healing? Singing Wizard just happens to get more toys in D&D, I guess. [/QUOTE]

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