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Why Has D&D, and 5e in Particular, Gone Down the Road of Ubiquitous Magic?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6835580" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>They were arguably the first PrC, that way.</p><p></p><p>And, in 4e, they were Arcane Leaders, with both implement and weapon powers, and in Essentials, 'Skalds' with more emphasis on melee, but still, arcane-leader spin on melee. And they did still have a nod to being JoT skill types.</p><p></p><p>And he's a support-oriented full-caster with a greater variety of spells, just as many slots as the Wizard, and a skilled class with the Rogue's Expertise claim-to-fame, and has a 'Valor' Build that gets Extra attack.</p><p></p><p>Aside from benefiting from 5e's general expansion of full-caster abilities, it seems to be in line with the class's evolution.</p><p></p><p>Yep, all the casters have gotten a boost this time around, but the Bard has very clearly joined the Cleric, Druid and Wizard as a full-caster in every sense. 'Why?' IDK. Some classes get the full-caster treatment: the Vancian prepped casting that made CoDzilla & the Wizard Tier 1 combined with the Sorcerer's 'mere' Tier-2 spontaneous casting for unprecedented flexibility. </p><p></p><p>One thing to consider, though is that the Skald and 5e Bard were both created with Mike Mearls in the driver's seat, and the return to melee ability is the only thing otherwise bucking the trend towards full-caster. So maybe he just likes the Bard this way. </p><p></p><p>Really, several 5e classes resemble their Essentials incarnations. The Champion is very analogous to the Slayer, the BM to the Knight, the Thief to, well, the Thief. The Wizard(Mage) with it's school sub-sub-classes is very like the 5e Wizard with it's Arcane Traditions. Domains were defining to the Essentials Cleric(War Cleric) and to the 5e Cleric, and so forth. The Assassin bucks the trend in a big way, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6835580, member: 996"] They were arguably the first PrC, that way. And, in 4e, they were Arcane Leaders, with both implement and weapon powers, and in Essentials, 'Skalds' with more emphasis on melee, but still, arcane-leader spin on melee. And they did still have a nod to being JoT skill types. And he's a support-oriented full-caster with a greater variety of spells, just as many slots as the Wizard, and a skilled class with the Rogue's Expertise claim-to-fame, and has a 'Valor' Build that gets Extra attack. Aside from benefiting from 5e's general expansion of full-caster abilities, it seems to be in line with the class's evolution. Yep, all the casters have gotten a boost this time around, but the Bard has very clearly joined the Cleric, Druid and Wizard as a full-caster in every sense. 'Why?' IDK. Some classes get the full-caster treatment: the Vancian prepped casting that made CoDzilla & the Wizard Tier 1 combined with the Sorcerer's 'mere' Tier-2 spontaneous casting for unprecedented flexibility. One thing to consider, though is that the Skald and 5e Bard were both created with Mike Mearls in the driver's seat, and the return to melee ability is the only thing otherwise bucking the trend towards full-caster. So maybe he just likes the Bard this way. Really, several 5e classes resemble their Essentials incarnations. The Champion is very analogous to the Slayer, the BM to the Knight, the Thief to, well, the Thief. The Wizard(Mage) with it's school sub-sub-classes is very like the 5e Wizard with it's Arcane Traditions. Domains were defining to the Essentials Cleric(War Cleric) and to the 5e Cleric, and so forth. The Assassin bucks the trend in a big way, though. ;) [/QUOTE]
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