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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 6836532" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Different people have different opinions, and since this is pretty subjective, its always worth hearing another opinion on the matter.&nbsp;Spell slots are just a rules mechanic to express class capabilities though. Like making attack rolls. The fact that other classes get spell slots or make weapon attack rolls shouldn't be an issue: they're both just a way of expressing the class features.Some classes (like Fighters) have attack roll-based abilities as their primary distinction. Some classes (like wizards) have spell casting-based features as their primary distinction.The Ranger has always been a &quot;blend&quot; though, incorporating fighter-like (often ranged) combat, druid-like nature magic, and wilderness /environment based skills and magical abilities (unique to Ranger.)If you, personally, don't associate some of those mechanics with the class, then there may be variants from the traditional class that you would prefer like the &quot;Spell less Ranger&quot; if your DM is OK with it.I'd also have to point out that even though the Ranger's spells advance based upon half of the Ranger's level, that is very much not the same as spellcasting defining half of the class. Unless you were just being hyperbolic?The Ranger's spells can provide an edge in combat, exploration etc, but the Ranger will be making attack rolls, skill checks, or using their ranger-specific abilities far more than they will be spellcasting while in play.Now, the spell list is the actual class feature that the spell slot system expresses surely? There are some spells that are unique to rangers, and some spells that other classes have as well. Are there more spells that you think should be unique class features to Rangers?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 6836532, member: 6802951"] Different people have different opinions, and since this is pretty subjective, its always worth hearing another opinion on the matter. Spell slots are just a rules mechanic to express class capabilities though. Like making attack rolls. The fact that other classes get spell slots or make weapon attack rolls shouldn't be an issue: they're both just a way of expressing the class features. Some classes (like Fighters) have attack roll-based abilities as their primary distinction. Some classes (like wizards) have spell casting-based features as their primary distinction. The Ranger has always been a "blend" though, incorporating fighter-like (often ranged) combat, druid-like nature magic, and wilderness /environment based skills and magical abilities (unique to Ranger.) If you, personally, don't associate some of those mechanics with the class, then there may be variants from the traditional class that you would prefer like the "Spell less Ranger" if your DM is OK with it. I'd also have to point out that even though the Ranger's spells advance based upon half of the Ranger's level, that is very much [I][B]not[/B][/I] the same as spellcasting defining half of the class. Unless you were just being hyperbolic? The Ranger's spells can provide an edge in combat, exploration etc, but the Ranger will be making attack rolls, skill checks, or using their ranger-specific abilities far more than they will be spellcasting while in play. Now, the spell list is the [I]actual [/I]class feature that the spell slot system expresses surely? There are some spells that are unique to rangers, and some spells that other classes have as well. Are there more spells that you think should be unique class features to Rangers? [/QUOTE]

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