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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 6837525" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Many of which don't come up that often. If you want to play a wilderness-oriented character without the nature magic, there are other classes that could be customised with backgrounds. Why pick a class that has nature magic?You don't even have to pick the abilities that let you blast out cones of arrows. A lot of Ranger magic is subtle. Muttering a prayer to predator spirits to give you insight into your prey. Asking the Land to smooth your path and speed your steps, or to hide your passing. Speaking a few words in a sacred tongue to calm an animal or enlist its aid through shared emotions. etc.&nbsp;Ah. Sorry to hear that. So what is it about the Ranger Class that you definitely want to play one rather than just a wilderness oriented Fighter or Rogue and calling yourself a ranger in-character? (Does your DM allow multiclassing?)&nbsp;I really haven't found that. Ranger spells are generally subtle and useful as expediters rather than outright powers. They help the Ranger and/or his party do things rather than doing things themselves. If you didn't have them, you could generally achieve the same things, just harder and slower.&nbsp;Sounds like multiclassing with a martial type class to delay and/or reduce your magical progression could be the best way to go about this if your DM allows it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 6837525, member: 6802951"] Many of which don't come up that often. If you want to play a wilderness-oriented character without the nature magic, there are other classes that could be customised with backgrounds. Why pick a class that has nature magic? You don't even have to pick the abilities that let you blast out cones of arrows. A lot of Ranger magic is subtle. Muttering a prayer to predator spirits to give you insight into your prey. Asking the Land to smooth your path and speed your steps, or to hide your passing. Speaking a few words in a sacred tongue to calm an animal or enlist its aid through shared emotions. etc. Ah. Sorry to hear that. So what is it about the Ranger Class that you definitely want to play one rather than just a wilderness oriented Fighter or Rogue and calling yourself a ranger in-character? (Does your DM allow multiclassing?) I really haven't found that. Ranger spells are generally subtle and useful as expediters rather than outright powers. They help the Ranger and/or his party do things rather than doing things themselves. If you didn't have them, you could generally achieve the same things, just harder and slower. Sounds like multiclassing with a martial type class to delay and/or reduce your magical progression could be the best way to go about this if your DM allows it. [/QUOTE]

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