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<blockquote data-quote="n00b f00" data-source="post: 6839174" data-attributes="member: 6795700">I think DnD went down the magic path because that's what the people want and expect. People playing wizards don't want to shoot crossbows, they wanna shoot lazers out of their hands pew pew pew.The reasons for this are many. Some people don't like doing non magical things in between spell slots, some people like the hybrid vancian system, some people just expect magical people to be oozing magic like in a video game. I like it. I like the hybrid system, I like the downplaying of magical items. I like tying many of the class features into spell lists. It does means you have to work a bit to get a low magic setting going, while still using the system. You got in the PHB 2 fighter, 2 rogue, 1 monk, and 1 barbarian (if you count out totem for animal talking) subclasses that don't really do magic. Well you can use spells and say you aren't doing magic like, say the ranger. Many ranger spells, aren't spells, they are him getting in the zone, or being extra fast, or whatever. Mundane flavor to his mechanics, 4e style. You can also allow magic users into the game modified or otherwise, and then just say these guys are special. Removing cantrips, and/or forcing to take them on alternating levels will give them magic but less magic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="n00b f00, post: 6839174, member: 6795700"] I think DnD went down the magic path because that's what the people want and expect. People playing wizards don't want to shoot crossbows, they wanna shoot lazers out of their hands pew pew pew. The reasons for this are many. Some people don't like doing non magical things in between spell slots, some people like the hybrid vancian system, some people just expect magical people to be oozing magic like in a video game. I like it. I like the hybrid system, I like the downplaying of magical items. I like tying many of the class features into spell lists. It does means you have to work a bit to get a low magic setting going, while still using the system. You got in the PHB 2 fighter, 2 rogue, 1 monk, and 1 barbarian (if you count out totem for animal talking) subclasses that don't really do magic. Well you can use spells and say you aren't doing magic like, say the ranger. Many ranger spells, aren't spells, they are him getting in the zone, or being extra fast, or whatever. Mundane flavor to his mechanics, 4e style. You can also allow magic users into the game modified or otherwise, and then just say these guys are special. Removing cantrips, and/or forcing to take them on alternating levels will give them magic but less magic. [/QUOTE]

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