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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dvvega" data-source="post: 1993385" data-attributes="member: 524">Even so-called gradual progression advancement systems are levelling but not in the d20 way.The main difference is that in a gradual system you choose waht to advance, while in the d20 system you are basically told what to advance with a few choices.For example Vampire: The Masquerade gave you XP at the end of each session (nominally 5 maximum) and you used those as you saw fit. To improve things you would pay a multiple of the current value ... so a skill would cost a number of points equal to the level you wanted to get (if I remember correctly).Somethings cost double the amount you wish etc.You are essentially levelling up in those systems, they're just not labelled levelling up.For example, gaining a level of Fighters gives you BAB+1 amongst other things, to simulate the same concept in a point-buy system you would improve your combat trait.Most of the anti-levellers just want to argue that they can minutely determine where their experience is put, instead of paying for a package of stuff.As someone who has played all manner of systems, none is better than any other in my opinion.D</blockquote>