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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 6007748" data-attributes="member: 6698278">I know you threw this in trying to be fair.&nbsp; But if this happens it's just bad design.I don't see this.&nbsp; I'm not sure how it even bears upon the issue.&nbsp; Could you give me a specific example where the mechanic is dissociative and not and why the not helps?&nbsp; I do agree that the narrativist playstyle favors dissociative mechanics generally.&nbsp; It is harder to produce a game that does not have dissociative mechanics.&nbsp; No argument there.&nbsp; But it is not impossible or even really hard.&nbsp; It is just hard-er.&nbsp; So for many people if you just slap something together it will have a dissociative mechanic.&nbsp; Since many of us consider games with dissociative mechanics unplayable, it's of course worth it.What I find really amusing is that Monte Cook is making a game (Numenera) by the way that is so dissociative it's crazy.&nbsp; He is widely reviled by the 4e crowd and I doubt they are even giving him a chance.&nbsp; His kickstart is doing well though and I have contributed hoping I can remove them from my games.&nbsp; But each time a new article gets posted my hopes sink a little bit more.&nbsp; So he is making a game for them not me.&nbsp; Weird eh?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 6007748, member: 6698278"] I know you threw this in trying to be fair. But if this happens it's just bad design. I don't see this. I'm not sure how it even bears upon the issue. Could you give me a specific example where the mechanic is dissociative and not and why the not helps? I do agree that the narrativist playstyle favors dissociative mechanics generally. It is harder to produce a game that does not have dissociative mechanics. No argument there. But it is not impossible or even really hard. It is just hard-er. So for many people if you just slap something together it will have a dissociative mechanic. Since many of us consider games with dissociative mechanics unplayable, it's of course worth it. What I find really amusing is that Monte Cook is making a game (Numenera) by the way that is so dissociative it's crazy. He is widely reviled by the 4e crowd and I doubt they are even giving him a chance. His kickstart is doing well though and I have contributed hoping I can remove them from my games. But each time a new article gets posted my hopes sink a little bit more. So he is making a game for them not me. Weird eh? [/QUOTE]

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