Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Why I Am Starting to Prefer 4d6 Drop the Lowest Over the Default Array.
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7134518" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>Five of these arrays are normalized. Five are not. You can probably spot a couple of the non-normalized ones; I didn't cherry-pick them to look normalized. But I'd be frankly incredulous if you told me that exactly half of the arrays are interesting to you while the other half bore you to tears (you say <em>"kind of boring"</em>, but since you're saying it's worth the risk of player dissatisfaction to avoid them, I have to assume you mean something stronger).</p><p></p><p>1: [15, 9, 9, 15, 12, 11]</p><p>2: [8, 15, 9, 12, 16, 15]</p><p>3: [12, 15, 12, 14, 4, 12]</p><p>4: [12, 16, 9, 17, 15, 13]</p><p>5: [13, 9, 14, 11, 18, 9]</p><p>6: [14, 10, 14, 14, 9, 11]</p><p>7: [15, 7, 8, 15, 13, 13]</p><p>8: [14, 4, 14, 13, 11, 13]</p><p>9: [10, 15, 12, 14, 8, 13]</p><p>10: [11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15]</p><p></p><p>Rolling for stats still produces arrays that cluster around a mean. It's quite probable that a party of rolled PCs all have scores which total to within a few points of each other (probably in the low 70s), and are homogeneous according to various other metrics. Would this party bore you too? Given the way the probability works, can I say that rolling <em>is itself</em> a normalization method, just an unreliable one?</p><p></p><p>I think rationalization of this sort is worse among those playing with randomized scores (normalized or otherwise -- this isn't about that). With point buy or a standard array, you're putting the score you want into the ability you want, so presumably it's a decent fit for your character concept. With dice, you might end up with with a 7 or 8 in Intelligence when the character you had in mind would really be better suited with an 11 or 12, and that's when you start rationalizing.</p><p></p><p>PS: 8 Int probably shouldn't be interpreted as 80 IQ. Assuming 3d6 generates a bell curve, it's at a rather higher point on the curve. And a mere -1 on Int checks doesn't really represent severe mental incapacity all that well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7134518, member: 6683613"] Five of these arrays are normalized. Five are not. You can probably spot a couple of the non-normalized ones; I didn't cherry-pick them to look normalized. But I'd be frankly incredulous if you told me that exactly half of the arrays are interesting to you while the other half bore you to tears (you say [I]"kind of boring"[/I], but since you're saying it's worth the risk of player dissatisfaction to avoid them, I have to assume you mean something stronger). 1: [15, 9, 9, 15, 12, 11] 2: [8, 15, 9, 12, 16, 15] 3: [12, 15, 12, 14, 4, 12] 4: [12, 16, 9, 17, 15, 13] 5: [13, 9, 14, 11, 18, 9] 6: [14, 10, 14, 14, 9, 11] 7: [15, 7, 8, 15, 13, 13] 8: [14, 4, 14, 13, 11, 13] 9: [10, 15, 12, 14, 8, 13] 10: [11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15] Rolling for stats still produces arrays that cluster around a mean. It's quite probable that a party of rolled PCs all have scores which total to within a few points of each other (probably in the low 70s), and are homogeneous according to various other metrics. Would this party bore you too? Given the way the probability works, can I say that rolling [I]is itself[/I] a normalization method, just an unreliable one? I think rationalization of this sort is worse among those playing with randomized scores (normalized or otherwise -- this isn't about that). With point buy or a standard array, you're putting the score you want into the ability you want, so presumably it's a decent fit for your character concept. With dice, you might end up with with a 7 or 8 in Intelligence when the character you had in mind would really be better suited with an 11 or 12, and that's when you start rationalizing. PS: 8 Int probably shouldn't be interpreted as 80 IQ. Assuming 3d6 generates a bell curve, it's at a rather higher point on the curve. And a mere -1 on Int checks doesn't really represent severe mental incapacity all that well. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Why I Am Starting to Prefer 4d6 Drop the Lowest Over the Default Array.
Top