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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7135208" data-attributes="member: 6683613">I'm not asking you to spend hours doing anything. Quite the opposite, in fact. You've said that if characters use normalized arrays, &quot;they're still the same in fundamental ways that I will quickly notice&quot;. If you have to spend hours crunching numbers in order to &quot;notice&quot;, I think that's a pretty good indicator that you didn't actually notice -- and that if you'd spent those hours doing something else you might be perfectly happy playing with these characters.Now, there is a way you might quickly notice in which these arrays are the same, and it's that they all total 74. So it seemed reasonable to me that this was the sort of similarity you were talking about. But when I started to talk about totals directly, you contradicted me and said that arrays with the same total can be very different. This is all I'm asking: for you to clarify whether you think the total is a constraint on this &quot;attribute space&quot; of the sort that bores you, or not. Because right now I'm more than a little confused.Sure, I can <a href="https://repl.it/IbnR/4" target="_blank">do</a> <a href="https://repl.it/IbnR/3" target="_blank">this</a>, but again I'm confused, because I've already given you lots of samples, even some unlabeled ones for you to guess at, and you have been dismissive of them. If you need a script to generate enough samples to guess if a method is normalized, isn't that again a pretty good indicator that you can't &quot;quickly notice&quot; if it is?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7135208, member: 6683613"] I'm not asking you to spend hours doing anything. Quite the opposite, in fact. You've said that if characters use normalized arrays, [I]"they're still the same in fundamental ways that I will quickly notice"[/I]. If you have to spend hours crunching numbers in order to [I]"notice"[/I], I think that's a pretty good indicator that you didn't actually notice -- and that if you'd spent those hours doing something else you might be perfectly happy playing with these characters. Now, there [I]is[/I] a way you might quickly notice in which these arrays are the same, and it's that they all total 74. So it seemed reasonable to me that this was the sort of similarity you were talking about. But when I started to talk about totals directly, you contradicted me and said that arrays with the same total can be very different. This is all I'm asking: for you to clarify whether you think the total is a constraint on this "attribute space" of the sort that bores you, or not. Because right now I'm more than a little confused. Sure, I can [url=https://repl.it/IbnR/4]do[/url] [url=https://repl.it/IbnR/3]this[/url], but again I'm confused, because I've already given you [I]lots[/I] of samples, even some unlabeled ones for you to guess at, and you have been dismissive of them. If you need a script to generate enough samples to guess if a method is normalized, isn't that again a pretty good indicator that you can't [I]"quickly notice"[/I] if it is? [/QUOTE]

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