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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7136852" data-attributes="member: 6787650">If rolling a 14 when someone else has two 18s causes you to feel overshadowed and like you're never pulling your own weight, and there are only 4 or 5 PCs in the group, the core issue there is &quot;player competency,&quot; not stat rolls.If there are two of every subclass of PC already in the party, and they all have higher stats then you, THEN I can see how you might imagine that you're not contributing. But if there's only three or four other PCs, there's always something you can do to materially contribute.Challenge: sketch out a group of three or four 9th level PCs with high stats (e.g. each one of them has two 18s and no stat under 14), who are so good that no 9th level PC I make with a high stat of 14 can meaningfully contribute to their adventures. (If you want to choose another level besides 9th you can, but it's best if it's at least 5th because at extremely low levels, table-dependent factors like equipment, social contacts, and DMing style will dominate--making it 9th level makes it easier to have an Internet discussion since you can point to concrete abilities.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7136852, member: 6787650"] If rolling a 14 when someone else has two 18s causes you to feel overshadowed and like you're never pulling your own weight, and there are only 4 or 5 PCs in the group, the core issue there is "player competency," not stat rolls. If there are two of every subclass of PC already in the party, and they all have higher stats then you, THEN I can see how you might imagine that you're not contributing. But if there's only three or four other PCs, there's always something you can do to materially contribute. [B]Challenge:[/B] sketch out a group of three or four 9th level PCs with high stats (e.g. each one of them has two 18s and no stat under 14), who are so good that no 9th level PC I make with a high stat of 14 can meaningfully contribute to their adventures. (If you want to choose another level besides 9th you can, but it's best if it's at least 5th because at extremely low levels, table-dependent factors like equipment, social contacts, and DMing style will dominate--making it 9th level makes it easier to have an Internet discussion since you can point to concrete abilities.) [/QUOTE]

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