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<blockquote data-quote="Lylandra" data-source="post: 7141867" data-attributes="member: 6816692">Just as a quick non-mathematical and more fundamental thought on this matter:D&amp;D is pretty un-biologic in terms of stats and stat development. Which means that in D&amp;D you are either born with great strength, constitution, intelligence etc. or you are not. After &quot;birth&quot; you stats change only marginally and, to be honest, only very few people in the D&amp;D world reach more than, say, level 4. So level progression does not really change much at all.In my opinion this is the crux behind all of our discussion of whether one should roll first, create the character later or vice versa. Because life usually doesn't work that way. I could have great genes for muscle development, but totally focus on studying biology and end up with a &quot;Str 8&quot;. If I then started training, I could easily raise my Str 8 to a Str 12 or 13 or even more. I can be totally &quot;intelligent&quot;, but still choose a sports carreer and never learn to foster thinking logically. And speaking of charisma, one can go from extroverted to shy to utterly charming in a matter of years. So I guess even if we didn't change anything in terms of D&amp;D stats (and I would really advocate to give people more stat increases like in 4e so they don't have to focus on a &quot;main stat&quot;), I still stand behind the thought that both approaches are totally viable and that no one should be forced to roll 3 or 4d6 in order . Because we, as an intelligent species, generally have more choice that that. But that's just my 2 cents.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lylandra, post: 7141867, member: 6816692"] Just as a quick non-mathematical and more fundamental thought on this matter: D&D is pretty un-biologic in terms of stats and stat development. Which means that in D&D you are either born with great strength, constitution, intelligence etc. or you are not. After "birth" you stats change only marginally and, to be honest, only very few people in the D&D world reach more than, say, level 4. So level progression does not really change much at all. In my opinion this is the crux behind all of our discussion of whether one should roll first, create the character later or vice versa. Because life usually doesn't work that way. I could have great genes for muscle development, but totally focus on studying biology and end up with a "Str 8". If I then started training, I could easily raise my Str 8 to a Str 12 or 13 or even more. I can be totally "intelligent", but still choose a sports carreer and never learn to foster thinking logically. And speaking of charisma, one can go from extroverted to shy to utterly charming in a matter of years. So I guess even if we didn't change anything in terms of D&D stats (and I would really advocate to give people more stat increases like in 4e so they don't have to focus on a "main stat"), I still stand behind the thought that both approaches are totally viable and that no one should be forced to roll 3 or 4d6 [I]in order [/I]. Because we, as an intelligent species, generally have more choice that that. But that's just my 2 cents. [/QUOTE]

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