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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7145313" data-attributes="member: 6787650">See, this is what I've been getting at all along. A lot of the people who supposedly just &quot;want to play their concept&quot; are in reality not okay with rolling, not because of the risk of not getting to play their concept, but because someone else might overshadow them. Or in other words, their concepts seemed to be defined with respect to other PCs. &quot;Highest DPR in the party&quot; instead of &quot;Beowulf the mighty warrior.&quot;We just now saw a post from someone who claimed to be upset at the potential disparity between &quot;one person who has every stat at 16+ and another has no stat over 8,&quot; but in reality is upset even at the disparity between &quot;multiple 16+ stats&quot; (which happens 17% of the time under 4d6 drop lowest) and point buy.I agree that if you can't handle even minor disparities, you shouldn't play with a group that does individually-rolled stats. (You could still do one of the rolled stats variations where everyone picks from the same pool of rolled stats; or you could do freeform, or point buy; but you shouldn't do everybody-rolls-their-own.) But you should be honest about your motivations: just say, &quot;It's not fun for me if other people have higher stats than I do.&quot; Don't try to pretend that it's about &quot;concept&quot; or being overshadowed in actual play, because it's not*. It's purely about stat envy: &quot;that guy is stronger/smarter/faster than me.&quot;* If some other PC has a Constitution of 17 and you have a Constitution of 14, who cares? You will hardly ever notice the difference empirically in play; and you sure won't be &quot;overshadowed&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7145313, member: 6787650"] See, this is what I've been getting at all along. A lot of the people who supposedly just "want to play their concept" are in reality not okay with rolling, not because of the risk of not getting to play their concept, but because someone else might overshadow them. Or in other words, their concepts seemed to be defined with respect to other [I]PCs[/I]. "Highest DPR in the party" instead of "Beowulf the mighty warrior." We just now saw a post from someone who claimed to be upset at the potential disparity between "one person who has every stat at 16+ and another has no stat over 8," but in reality is upset even at the disparity between "multiple 16+ stats" (which happens 17% of the time under 4d6 drop lowest) and point buy. I agree that if you can't handle even minor disparities, you shouldn't play with a group that does individually-rolled stats. (You could still do one of the rolled stats variations where everyone picks from the same pool of rolled stats; or you could do freeform, or point buy; but you shouldn't do everybody-rolls-their-own.) But you should be honest about your motivations: just say, "It's not fun for me if other people have higher stats than I do." Don't try to pretend that it's about "concept" or being overshadowed in actual play, because it's not*. It's purely about stat envy: "that guy is stronger/smarter/faster than me." * If some other PC has a Constitution of 17 and you have a Constitution of 14, who cares? You will hardly ever notice the difference empirically in play; and you sure won't be "overshadowed". [/QUOTE]

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