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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tymophil" data-source="post: 5609543" data-attributes="member: 46923">That's why I added "so-called". In France, where I live, people are taught that philosophy began with Socrates, no matter what. All that was before was meant to lead to Socrates (as Plato portrays it, of course), so even some philosophers that where no pre-socratic are dubbed pre-socratic : archaic compared to the Plato's Socrates.This was implemented in French education around the XIXth century, to rewrite the history of philosophy to make sure that most materialists would be seen as subpar philosophers. It was easily done as most materialist philosophers (Democritus, Epicurus, etc.) were almost wiped out of the history of philosophy (very, very few original writings remained). The fact that France was a massely christian country and that the country undertook a massive counter-revolution played a huge part...You forget that, in the PlaneScape setting what you believe shapes reality. If the people of a certain place change their beliefs, the place will change its location in the Multiverse.Anyway, what you conceive as true may or may not have any relation to what is or is not. Even when the evidence is given, many people stick to their beliefs however irrational they are. Palto's idealism is still seen as concievable, even though it is in plain contradiction with what little we know about the Universe. Still it is taught/believed in most advanced countries at one point or another as a great idea to look at the world.I was not clear there. You don't choose most illusions you actually use to portray reality. Almost nobody does. Even the most materialist amongst us have a hard time disbelieving that there is something "more" about the reality that could be called a "soul".I guess most people believe that there IS a sky. Even though there is only an illusion created by the interaction of light and the atmosphere. You don't wake up everyday, believing or disbelieving that there is a sky. Yet it comes as a shock when you are taught that there is no sky, and some people don't even believe it when they are given some evidences.Many people believe that the ARE laws of Nature. This is a largely widespead illusion amongst our societies. How many time do you people saying that objets fall BECAUSE of the law of gravitation. It IS an illusion many people live by, and none of them chose it.If you live by believing that there is an ideal/divine world and a corrupted one. You live in an illusionary world. Did you chose to believe this ? A platonic view of life is clearly an illusion for us nowadays. It was not in his days. Plato did know/believed that the spheres did exist and were perfect, one could argue that he never chose to believe it.In our world, many people guide(d) their lifes on beliefs that litterally shape(d) their reality. Just look at food : the pythagorians simply never ate beans because... it would be... embarrassing, and not as pythagorean as they wished to be in some situations. Others chose to feed on uncooked, raw food because it paralleled their beliefs. The world around them is shaped by the crop they grow, the livestock they choose to cattle, etc. The world, the reality they live by, is shaped by their conscious beliefs and their unchallenged/unconscious beliefs (illusions they don't, and never, disbelieve) shape their world too. In the end, it is difficult toi see what is real, illusionary, self-delusion, etc.We don't know much about some philosophies, but it seems from the scarse texts that survived that Cyrenaics and Epicurians did live by their doctrines on an everyday basis. They chose their food, cloths, etc. according to their philosophy.In PlaneScape you can shake all these kind of beliefs/illusions because they can be challenged. They can be challenged because they can be true or false /dispelled depending or your faction. When you chose the faction for your player character, you don't simply say that the PC chose to believe this or that. He simply believes this or that.</blockquote>

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