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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 5388615" data-attributes="member: 834">That's what you got from my post?  The underscored part is sheer fabulation that can't be reasonably extrapolated from what I wrote.The gist of what I said was don't ask me 'What do you do' if you have just put me in a situation where I'm bored out of my skull.  Obviously, you won't like the answer.  The one example the OP gave was a bland situation where the PCs stand in some courtyard, with a tree, a door and dried apples.   It might be a puzzle ( which I dislike) and in any case there is no antagonist, stakes or tension.  Of course I am bored.  I did mention I would probably try to get out of there with a perception/thievery check in the hope of moving on to something actually interesting.I basically said that if that was a common occurence, no wonder some players are non-responsive.  I don't care one bit for that aspect of RPGs and I'm not alone.  I am not playing a role in that scene, I am playing Mist!  As you can guess, I don't play Mist.  The OP then slighlty shifted the premise by diminishing the value of the sample scene; it was not in that specific type of scene but under any circumstances that players were showing little initiative.  This is why I stayed out of the debate afterward.  If the game is interesting but players are uninterested I have little insight to offer beyond 'change groups'.BTW, the 'damaged good' reference is arrogant.  It is a sentiment based on the assumption that there is greater value in the way you like to play than the way I like to play.</blockquote>

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