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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bob Aberton" data-source="post: 1283940" data-attributes="member: 1518">It doesn't matter if that morality is f%!&@d up IYO, or IRL.  It's the way morality works in Tolkien.  It shouldn't be a problem in the movies either, since the movies, like the books, use Tolkien morality.  The only reason it's a problem to you is that you either can't or won't stop insisting on using RL morality in a most definately un-RL world.  Tolkien's world has a different set of rules than this world, and if you don't apply Tolkien's rules to Tolkien's world, then it will never make sense to you.Besides which, it's not a given that Elrond could push Isildur in if he wanted to.  Isildur, as has been stated many times before, is no pushover.  He and Elrond would have to fight.  If Isildur and Elrond fought for the Ring, so would their armies.  And it then wouldn't matter whether or not Sauron wasn't present to enjoy it, he would have won.  Because, as has been stated before, either Men or Elves would be destroyed, and either Elrond or Isildur would rise as the new Dark Lord.Furthermore, the Ring would not stand idly by and let itself be destroyed.  It has a mind of its own.  The only reason it hadn't already dominated Elrond was because he knew what it was, and he never touched it.  But if he tried to murder Isildur, then rest assured that whoever won would end up claiming the Ring, regardless of their original intentions.  Gollum murdered the Ring's rightful owner (Deagol, at the time).  Look what happened to him; before he even put his hands on Deagol's neck, the Ring had claimed him.  By the time Deagol was dead, it was already "The Precious."  The same would have happened to Elrond, only on a larger scale.But, like I said before, if you still insist on blocking your ears and bashing your heads against the wall, by all means keep at it.  Keep in mind, though, no matter how much you argue, you're never going accept the course of events as they are unless you apply TOLKIEN'S RULES to TOLKIEN'S WORLD.Apologies if you don't like my tone.  But for the past two pages or so, you've just been repeating the same thing over and over again, and completely ignored the points made by the "other side."  It's getting a little frustrating...</blockquote>

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