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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1287715" data-attributes="member: 8439">frankly, some people here have been scrambling for a No Prize to avoid accepting that there could have been a plot hole in the movie... not even the book, but the way the movie adapted it. (I mean aside from the part where they say the ring has fallen out of all living memory and gandalf has to research it in dusty manuscripts when his elf buddy has the whole thing still on the tip of his tongue...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) the fact that they are in the majority is not a relevant to whether thay are in the right.One of the themes of the movies, and the books is that they are FICTION. What fiction means is that someone wrote it all down, made it up, thought of it. That person may or may not have had a lot of outside editing, but they certainly didn't submit it for peer review over the course of a few decades, or wait to publish until a lot of people with too much free brain power for their own good picked it apart and compared and contrasted every line. The makers of the movie similarly wanted to create something that looked good, sounded good and played well in peroria. What does it mean? It means that plot holes will be there. Mistakes will be there. Inconsistancies and logical gaps will occur over the course of three (and a half and a prequel) books and more will creep in when those books are adapted to look good on screen. Its no big deal. Obsessively finding and pointing them out tends to make you look like you have too much time on your hands and maybe take fiction a little too seriously, and contorting your logic into a 'fix' and attacking people who do notice them makes you look defensive of your tastes and like you take your fiction way too seriously.While I'm not really enthusiastic about RotK (I'll wait for the DVD when PJ's signature swoops don't make me airsick) this little rant isn't about tolkien or this work in particular, its about the kind of fan obsession that almost ruined my apprication of Babylon 5 (church of joe gets on my nerves) and is rapidly souring the casual enjoyment I take from these films. If you like to nitpick, enjoy the little incogruities. If you don't like to nitpick, just say "Cause then there's be no story" and go back to enjoying the work. If you're a backseat director, discuss ways in which the scene could have been shot that eliminate the issue entirely. But I've had more reasonable discussion of contridictions in real life religious texts than I'm seeing over a minor adaptation flaw in an otherwise well received movie....hmmm... I'm glad I never posted my casual musings on the idiocy of the horn codes in Fire and Ice...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> Kahuna burger</blockquote>

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