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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5970929" data-attributes="member: 29398">My problem with skill challenges is very simple: they assume whacking big lists of skills for every PC no matter what class, which I don't want.&nbsp; Never ran 2e which is where the rot set in, didn't like 'em in 3e, and I gather 4e mostly kept them.If in 5e they can shoehorn most things that are now skill checks and-or skill challenges into ability checks and-or class abilities and thus get rid of about 90% of the skills if not all of them, I'll be happy.Certain classes having limited skill lists as an extension of their class (e.g. Thieves, Rangers) I'm cool with.&nbsp; After that, all you need are rolls for a few things most PCs would have had an opportunity to learn (or not) in their youth: swimming, boating, and riding.&nbsp; These don't change with level but can change slowly (over a period of months in the game world) if a PC states she is specifically trying to improve.Lanefan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 5970929, member: 29398"] My problem with skill challenges is very simple: they assume whacking big lists of skills for every PC no matter what class, which I don't want. Never ran 2e which is where the rot set in, didn't like 'em in 3e, and I gather 4e mostly kept them. If in 5e they can shoehorn most things that are now skill checks and-or skill challenges into ability checks and-or class abilities and thus get rid of about 90% of the skills if not all of them, I'll be happy. Certain classes having limited skill lists as an extension of their class (e.g. Thieves, Rangers) I'm cool with. After that, all you need are rolls for a few things most PCs would have had an opportunity to learn (or not) in their youth: swimming, boating, and riding. These don't change with level but can change slowly (over a period of months in the game world) if a PC states she is specifically trying to improve. Lanefan [/QUOTE]

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