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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Soloist" data-source="post: 9193683" data-attributes="member: 7043470">I recall a 4e player who insisted on rolling when the rest of the group used point buy. He agreed to live with the results. He said he was a role player, not an optimizer. He rolled slightly below average. He did fine until PCs reached level 5. Then he started complaining his character's abilities were not on par with the others and wanted to raise two abilities. Looking at how he played during the game, I knew that he secretly hoped to roll very high but lost his gamble. I said no, you did this to yourself, live with it as you agreed. He left the group not long after. So much for 'role-playing' your character despite the rolls.I vastly prefer point buy.</blockquote>