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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Halivar" data-source="post: 1106358" data-attributes="member: 9327">Okay, rules for CR are like this:For a party of four level X adventurers, it should take one-fourth of their resources to defeat a CR X creature.One might say:In any given contest between a level X adventurer and a level X NPC or CR X creature, there is a 50%-50% chance on the outcome.I think that's a reasonable statement, assuming no outlandishly equipped PC's.Now, here's the rub.  I believe these gauges sort of equate CR and CL.  X in one is as powerful as X in the other.  Why then, must we LA the creature to be a suitable PC?  Is a creature really four (or what-have-you) levels more potent as a PC than as a creature?IINM, the ECL for a half-celestial is +4 (CR +2).  So, according to the rules (unless I am mistaken, and I may be, quite certainly), a level 1 fighter with the half-celestial template should be an even match for another level 5 fighter.  This is certainly not the case.  The level 1 half-celestial is going to get drossed.So please help me out.  Please tell me how these rules work if I'm getting them wrong.  As it is, I see no reason why ECL shouldn't be tied to CR + CL.</blockquote>