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Message: <blockquote data-quote="smetzger" data-source="post: 1106425" data-attributes="member: 1230">No, a level 1 fighter w/ the half celestial template will have the same CR as a level 3 fighter; therefore they will both be approximately the same challenge for a PC.  However, being a challenge for a PC is different than the utility/usefulness of the extra abilities the template gives.  The usefulness of the template to a PC is the equivalent to 4 levels.The problem I see with this is that its linear relationship.  For the 1st level fighter example the CR for the templated creature is probably a bit high.  If we change things to a 18th level fighter then its probably a little low.  Somewhere inbetween is the sweetspot.  The same applies for the ECL.  ---warning house rules---Perhaps a better way to do this would be to use the CR + character level as a starting point and then impose an XP penalty.  I am not sure how well that would work and it would require alot of play testing.  But ECLs have had a fair amount of playtesting and they seem to work for the most part, so unless your designing a game supplement and are going to do play testing, I would recommend just using the ECLs.hmm.... Augusta, used to live there.  Hot, muggy, thunderstorms that blow through surge protectors, but lots of good mtn. biking.</blockquote>